French Police raid nets some suspects.

They aren't going to roll anything up. These are closed cells and there are many of them. These will be replaced by others and it will continue.

It was interesting reading about these people. The woman who blew herself up was a regular young woman until a few months ago - she liked tight jeans and a cowboy hat, drank booze and partied like any young European woman. Then just a few months ago she began with the Muslim fundamentalist crap and now has detonated herself in a Paris slum. This isn't going to change. It's a growing cancer and a look at the future.

The only good news is that in this case, she blew herself up in a raid instead of a cafe.

 

you scared me Kody, with that new pic....everyone knows a well organized operation keeps the cells apart, none knowing the other...is that what you mean by ''closed''?
good point on the people ..there are home grown and ''arrivals''.....we all have seen how easily people can be ''persuaded'' to kill themselves, etc...I've stated the examples before.... this goes against human nature--suicide....more of a cultural thing
sure, people kill themselves everywhere, but they are not persuaded by others to do it,

 

Yes, that's always how it has worked. A really good film that shows the inner workings of that world is "Munich." Even though it's set in the 1970s nothing has really changed. The Israeli operatives are rubbing elbows with Palestinians and Red Army factions. They're all buying intel and arms from the same people who are just in it for the money.
It's the same today. Arms are coming from the eastern European mafia through different contacts, recruitment is happening on the Internet and through shadowy figures that hide their identity. It isn't one pyramidal organization, it's many, and they know nothing about each other. I doubt that even the leaders in Syria or other places in the middle east share that info. They have their own little networks and operatives who work independently.
We should get used to it. We pretty much bludgeoned Al Qaeda to death, but the same ideology is now co-opted by ISIL. When we bludgeon them to death in Syria, it will just pop up somewhere else - Boko Haram or some other group will take the lead. It's a war between the west and fundamentalist Islam. It's not just one organization.

 

roger ..thanks....sounds logical...$$$$ talks big time....I liked Munich....I just looked at some video of the shootings...typical..they look like skinny punks that are brave with a weapon, when everyone else doesn't have one....yes, they should be pummeled whenever caught.....
one of them supposedly had a rifle malfunction.....out of 8 years in service, I don't recall many stoppages...although I was never in action....I remember more than a few, of mass shootings, with some kind of weapons' stoppage...here's a link to the cafe shooting..I think stoppage at .036 mark..shooter aims at lucky, walks away, lucky gets up

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DsWM03U4uKQ

 

"hey Poppy, can you imagine holding that as rounds are hitting??"
Wondered. It weighs 400 pounds and on wheels- so what would you feel other than crap in ur pants...

 

o, great info ..I didn't know.....

 

Edith Piaf
Non, je ne regrette rien:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFtGfyruroU

 

the Mali attacks add an exclamation point to Kody's point...
any experts out there on the murderers using gaming consoles for communication?? I guess the watchdogs concentrate on cell phones, not consoles??...I'm a PC gamer, not console ....but they communicate through cables and satellite?? is it easier to watch the phones than the consoles?? much thanks any replies

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3328154/Belgium-terror-lockdown-Brussels-metro-closed-people-warned-avoid-public-areas-warning-imminent-threat.html

'''Belgium has filed charges of 'participation in terrorist attacks and participation in the activities of a terrorist organization' against three suspects relating to the Paris attacks.'''

LJ is right....there are many accomplices and logistical support for these terrorists...there were many more people in the know and helping them...see above link.....just like some intricate and professional robbery organizations..you have a scout, driver, ''mastermind'', soldier, decoy and/or rear security/cover...........the guy that buys or steals the escape/decoy and assault cars, .....and the transfer people that hide the ''footprints''
do you think guys get together and say ''hey, what ya doing tonight?'' lets go running around with the AKs"".....of course, no pun intended

here it is...Paris attack scout

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3328350/Turkish-police-arrest-Belgian-man-Moroccan-descent-allegations-scouted-Paris-terror-attack-sites.html

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3331616/Landlord-provided-hideout-Paris-jihadis-swept-court-dawn-heavily-armed-police-expected-person-charged-helping-them.html

landlord helper was a convicted killer, before Paris attacks...same culture, same-same everything ....yes, a large, logistical-support tail.....

 

Certainly there is logistic support but I don't see that much evidence for "large" of course I'm not sure what you consider large either. Whether the logistic support is provided by criminal gangs as opposed to Jihadist gangs or gangs that are a mixture is also an open question. Of course the tendency of Jihadist to devolve (or is that evolve) into mostly criminal gangs much like some of the leftist may render the question rather moot.

 

large enough where immigration needs to be cut drastically, before there is a larger body count

 

Or not. Will a drastic cut in immigration really cut into the number of terrorist and terrorist supporters? Perhaps but perhaps not as well. Simple solutions to complex problems often have unexpected impacts sometimes completly negating the intended impact or even making things worse.

The situation in Europe is a bit different from that in the US as well. For instance you were harping on the faked passports. The chance of an immigrant getting into the US on a faked Syrian passport is vanishingly small given the vetting process. Now getting in as a tourist might be a bit easier but even there I would expect most if not all to get caught somewhere along the line. Note again that those arrested recently didn't even get to US customs before they were caught.

That's not to say there aren't negative impacts with immigration both in the US and in Europe. This article for instance goes into some of them:
http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htterr/articles/20151125.aspx
The question is to the benefits out weigh the costs.

 

simple math, cut immigration 90% you cut chances of terror greatly....and increase checks...put that money formally used for immigration, into security, bam! mucho decrease in chance of terror....with less coming in, more surveillance can be done on these people, because there are less of them...can some slip through?...sure.....what unexpected impacts? is this Catasrophe II ? round and round we go

remember, caps and bold for emphasis only...sarcasm for fun only

 

Simple math perhaps but not necessarily correct math. Remember a lot of this is about perceptions. If your actions alianate more people what are already here you may actually increase the number of terrorist and their supporters. If security gets heavy handed the same may occur. Then there are the problems with actually repurposing money. Simple solutions that don't work are don't work the way they are intended to are easy. Solutions that work, especially for complex problems, not so much.

 

if you cut immigration by 90%, you are saying that doesn't cut the chances of terrorists coming into the US??..that is basic simple math that works....that is a basic simple UNDENIABLE FACT... are you like OJ?? ''those aren't my shoes'' ?? he denied the undeniable

 

I think his shoes fit, the gloves however.......


On that note, topic relocated to the Stump.

 

Cutting immigration by 90% would probably decrease the number of terrorist getting to the US via immigration. The question of course is how many are actually doing that. Most have come on tourist or educational visas from what I remember reading. Others have become terrorist after they moved here. Right now the vetting program is through enough that I doubt many terrorist or terrorist sympathisors are making it through. Especially sense there are easier and quicker ways in. So no the math doesn't necessarily work nor is it an "UNDENIABLE FACT" it is an assumption or hypothesis on your part. It may indeed be correct or it may not. How the cuts would be spun could have considerable impact as well. Then there's the support issue. A fair amount of support to terrorist organizations is via organizations that hide the fact and mascarade as relief organizations to what ever community they are from. However those immigrants and children of immigrants and even grand children of immigrants often give to charities that support their communities. If a lot of immigrants are coming into the US then those who are already here spend a fair amount supporting the new immigrants (there are several efforts in that regards on going in the area where I live). Money going to such efforts is pretty hard to repurpose to supporting terrorist while that headed over seas is much easier. The result in that terrorist both here and abroad may be in a better finanicial situation if there aren't as many immigrants here. Or not. Like I've been saying the situation is complex and a lot of the data needed to figure out the best course is simply not available and may never be. Making simple assumptions and declaring them facts is a dangerous way to proceed however.

 

Do not know the going rate for bribing a Mexican Federale, but the El Paso Coyotes are pretty cheap. At any rate the Jihadist's of any faction have plenty of Wahabi - Madras cash to set the market for such adventures. They have been here pre 9/11 and only the reprisals against Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan etc. have delayed/prevented further attacks on the West. Gloves coming off though, so vigilance is key my friends.

 

cut it all, as stated before....chances of terrorists getting in, decreased..this is fact.....period.simple, no arguing that one