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Discussion in 'The War at Sea' started by Che_Guevara, Aug 6, 2005.

  1. Che_Guevara

    Che_Guevara New Member

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    Didn´t find a similar thread, so i guess no one has post it before.

    The first video is about the Wreck of the Hood, it´s amazing. Fallen from the chair.

    http://www.channel4.com/history/microsi ... video.html

    May old stuff, however I saw this the first time today.


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    Che.
     
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    on the other hand, have you seen james cameron's bismarck expedition?
     
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    Do you mean the Bismarckvideo on the same site?

    Yeah, but yesterday I saw the footage of the Hood wreck for the first time. I still love the Bismarck, however I´ve read the book "Bismarck", written by Robert D. Ballard and so i know how she looks today. Nevertheless the underwater footage of the Bismarck wreck is amazin´ too.
     
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    I think he means Expedition: Bismarck -documentary movie.
     
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    Oh, no sry, sounds great, but I haven´t see it. By the way, imagine that we are back in 1941. Could the HMS Hood penetrate and sunk the Bismarck?
     
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    Yes she could. 15"/42 Mark I was quite powerful weapon. Especially when fitted with new 879kg APC Mark XVIIb -shells.
     
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    the results of the denmark straig battle has been called ilogical, ??? because we have: 10 - 14 inchs guns(POW) and 8 -15 inchs guns ( Hood) against 8 -15 inches ( bismarck) and 8 - 8 inches (prinz eugen) and we know who got his butt kicked :roll: (lucky nor not)
     
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    Penetrate...yes!
    But if it could sink it?
    I wonder if...as the KGV (14 inch guns) and Rodney(16 inch guns) had a hard time doing this...
     
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    you MUST see it!!!!!is worth it!!!!
     
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    If you want to fill a ship with air, bomb and shell it. If you want to fill it with water, torpedo it.
     
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    I saw a wonderful documentary entitled "Sink The Bismarck" (which I have on tape), in which several of the German BB's survivors were interviewed. The senior officer said that, in his opinion, BISMARCK would have succumbed to her damage eventually, but that she did actually sink due to scuttling. Given that the German ship was afire from stem to stern, I have to agree with the gentleman: the damage done by the British would have killed BISMARCK at some point.
     
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    Bismarck was doomed when KGV & Rodney and smaller ships arrived. RN wasn't going to spare Bismarck, I think they would ram her if needed.
     
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    The Bismarck was doomed, because of that stupid torpedo damaging her rudder, so she wasn´t maneuverable anymore. She had reached Brest and survived that day, if Patterson didn´t drop his torpedo or the Bismarck didn´t turn away. :cry:

    But if the RN had the choice for combat, may the Bismarck had avoid the incoming shells ??

    Nevertheless, the Bismarck and the HMS Hood were the most beautiful warships the world has ever seen.

    [​IMG]

    Both are brothers in death.
     
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    More like brothers in sucky luck. Hood had known weaknesses in her deck armour but she was still wildly unlucky to have taken the fatal hit. On Bismarck’s side German ships of that period had weak sterns but Bismarck was again wildly unlucky to take a 18" torp (a somewhat limp wristed weapon) in the one place where it could really hurt.
     
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    I don't believe Bismarck's weak stern had any role in jamming her rudder. As far as I can tell, her stern caused her no trouble while she was afloat.
     
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    others that have a weak stern: prinz eugen and lutzow, but that did not interfer with the ships functions
     
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    When you saw 'weak stern', do you mean it had little armour, or that it was structurally a bit wobbly, or what?

    (Ignorance again, I'm afraid)
     
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    I can speak specifically to Bismarck's case. Her steering compartment was bounded by belt armor on two sides, an armored deck overhead, and an armored rear bulkhead. Beyond that bulkhead, the hull was unarmored. This created a structural discontinuity where armor and non-armor met. This would not normally be a big deal, but the welding plan for joining these two sections was poorly thought out. It could not bear extreme stress loads. The Bismarck wreck is missing the aftmost portion of the hull.
    However, unless it can be shown that the discontinuity abaft the steering compartment somehow contributed to the jamming the rudder, the stern weakness was insignifcant in Bismarck's case. The missing "stern" is a mere nub of hull.
    The incidents of cruiser stern failure were more serious. They were like Bismarck's in that they took place at joints between armor and non-armor, but in their case the bulkhead in question was the one closing off the citadel. Thus when the sterns collapsed, they interfered with the props and endangered major portions of buoyancy. I cannot get more specific because there has been no opportunity to examine the appropriate welding plans.
     
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    Thanks Tiornu, I understand now!
     

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