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How did Nazis determine if whether or not someone was Jewish or Gay?

Discussion in 'WWII General' started by Trip Jab, Jul 29, 2016.

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    wm. Well-Known Member

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    Maybe you shouldn't use the same argument over and over again: there were Jews, there are no Jews, I know nothing about it, therefore the natives killed them all.
    There is a real danger the Wikipedians will use it to illustrate their argumentum ad ignorantiam article. :)

    It's estimated only in Warsaw there were more than 100,000 Germans and Volksdeutsche, every ten person on the street.

    Do you know how many Polish Jews' testimonies written right then in '40-'43 survived?
    I have on my shelf 5 volumes of them. It's, I don't know, maybe 4000 pages.

    Do they support your speculative theory? The answer is a huge no.

    A small part of them has been translated into English, and is available on Amazon. Read it. You will see the light.
     
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    The Story of a Female Blackmailer
    from: Country of Ash: A Jewish Doctor in Poland, 1939-1945 by Edward Reicher
    Sergiusz was madly in love with Danusia Konarzewska. She was a classic Polish beauty: medium height, seductive, beautifully shaped, blond, and about twenty-five years old, with beautiful wavy hair and blue eyes. She was an attractive woman, men were drawn to her. She was not only with Sergiusz; she was a “courtesan.” She met rich men on the street and in expensive restaurants, and accompanied them either to their homes or to secluded rooms in restaurants or hotels. She stole their money, their watches, or other valuables.

    Konarzewska was beautiful, but she was not very bright. She had a friend who was cleverer than she but ugly. Do beautiful women seek out the company of those uglier than they are, so that their beauty stands out?
    Sneaky, cunning, clever Jadwiga Glos made a mint fencing things from Konarzewska. Danusia told Jadwiga everything; she kept no secrets from her. This is exactly what ultimately put us in such jeopardy.
    One day or night, a drunk Sergiusz told Konarzewska about his Jews. She repeated everything to Jadwiga, who immediately saw a gold mine.
    Under pressure from Jadwiga, Konarzewska demanded money from Sergiusz. He was hiding Jews, and they could give him what they had.

    Sergiusz came to see us. [...] Then he told us of Danusia’s demands. He played down the danger, assuring us that his friend was a good woman, incapable of doing anything to hurt him. As soon as Konarzewska received a little money, she would leave us alone. Most of us, however, had had terrible experiences with blackmailers. We knew that if we gave in to her at all, her demands would never end. We knew nothing yet of the existence of Jadwiga Glos, for Sergiusz had not mentioned her. He thought his lover’s demands were terrible, but in matters of the heart he was her slave.


    It was already April 1944. The Soviet army continued its advance, and the Resistance slogan “Death to blackmailers and traitors!” was gaining ground. We, too, resolved to defend ourselves. Stefan had contacts in the Polish Armia Krajowa, whose clandestine courts issued death sentences to Polish and German agents of the Gestapo along with blackmailers and traitors. They would be shot by firing squad, and news of their execution would circulate in an underground Polish newspaper.
    One bright spring day, Danusia was strolling along Krakowskie Przedmiescie Street, looking every which way for a suitable client. Two young men approached her and blocked her path. They told her they were from a secret organization, and that if anything happened to the Jews on Walicow Street, she would die.


    Danusia was terrified and told Sergiusz and Jadwiga what had happened. Jadwiga told her to relax. She said the threats were empty, because the Jews had no way to carry them out.
    So in the end Konarzewska came to us one day and demanded a huge ransom. She wanted a hundred thousand zlotys. If she didn’t receive this sum within the week, she would report us to the authorities.
    Endless deliberations began among us. The two older couples, the Czertows and Abbes, who were rich, were prepared to pay. But we prevailed. If we gave her money, we would never see the end of it. [...] We informed the relevant people in the Armia Krajowa, but we also decided to take matters into our own hands.

    With the pretext of handing over the ransom, we would lure Konarzewska into our apartment, [and] kill her.
    We waited impatiently for the great event. At some point, the true horror of our plan became so overwhelming that I was unable to sleep at all for several nights. During Easter week, Konarzewska went to visit her parents, who had a farm in a village a few miles from Skarzysko Kamienna.

    In the middle of the night between Easter Sunday and Monday, armed soldiers from the Armia Krajowa appeared on the Konarzewskis’ property. They dragged Danusia from her bed and ordered her to dress. Then they hitched a horse to a cart, and drove the girl into the woods. Her parents heard a series of shots. The next day, the horse returned to the farm alone.
     
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    This is one of those stories Mr Gross would gladly incorporate in his narrative if not for the happy ending, and blamed the Poles for another several Jewish lives lost.

    But it's obvious that the woman was a seasoned criminal, one of many, and criminals don't have nationality - they are simply criminals, not the Poles.

    Those people didn't robbed and then maybe murdered Jews because the Polish Government made them, or the Pope, or the Catholic Church, or any political party or a group.
    They did it because it was profitable.

    Of course I'm sure many won't accept this line of reasoning, but maybe we could test his/her resolve in this.

    Please replace the three dots with: "the British", "the Americans" or "criminals":

    It was ... who looted bombed out buildings during the Battle of Britain.
    It was ... who extracted gold teeth from dead or sometimes alive Japanese during during the Pacific War.
    It was ... who raped French women in 1944.
     

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