Welcome to the WWII Forums! Log in or Sign up to interact with the community.

Hugo Chavez is dead

Discussion in 'The Stump' started by Skipper, Mar 6, 2013.

Page 2 of 2
  1. Otto

    Otto GröFaZ Staff Member WW2|ORG Editor

    Joined:
    Jan 1, 2000
    Messages:
    9,885
    Likes Received:
    1,892
    Location:
    DFW, Texas
    Venezuela is better of without him, let's hope the next guy takes a few more steps in a good direction.

    The process of rising to the post of leader of a nation that has been greatly impact by external intervention since after WW2 is bound to be a dirty affair. A totally corrupt system will only see corrupt leaders rise to power. You might probably be able to make the argument that the nationalistic, anti-US platform that Chavez presented and took advantage of were created and funded by continued efforts & hundred of millions of dollars directed to influence elections, money that all came from up north. These efforts were usually successful. Chavez was certainly a blathering loon, but there is a reason his words took root in the minds of his people. Frankly I'm surprised he stayed in power as long as he did, he committed the act of not selling oil to the the US, a sin other leaders have paid for with their lives.
     
    Otto, Mar 6, 2013
    #21
  2. KodiakBeer

    KodiakBeer Member

    Joined:
    Nov 20, 2012
    Messages:
    6,329
    Likes Received:
    1,715
    Location:
    The Arid Zone
    Venezuela sold plenty of oil to the US and continues to do so. It's just that the money goes into the pockets of the leadership instead of to the nation.
     
    KodiakBeer, Mar 6, 2013
    #22
  3. George Patton

    George Patton Canadian Refugee

    Joined:
    Aug 22, 2010
    Messages:
    3,229
    Likes Received:
    1,183
    Location:
    Ontario, Canada
    Sounds like a certain recently departed flashy North Africa fellow:

    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]
     
    George Patton, Mar 6, 2013
    #23
  4. urqh

    urqh Tea drinking surrender monkey

    Joined:
    Dec 23, 2002
    Messages:
    9,683
    Likes Received:
    955
    Agreed, he certainly was no diplomat. That said, his own people seemed to think differently in the majority than anyone outside the country. If we are to mention loons, then the support the west gave to Boris Yeltsin should be looked at in the same detail. But then he was supported by the west as some sort of saviour and friend to the west when in fact he was a plank of the first class.
     
    urqh, Mar 7, 2013
    #24
  5. urqh

    urqh Tea drinking surrender monkey

    Joined:
    Dec 23, 2002
    Messages:
    9,683
    Likes Received:
    955
    One who was feted by my own Prime Minister of the time who sold our soul to him. If this is diplomacy of the new school its a pity he didn't ride in his final convoy with him.
     
    urqh, Mar 7, 2013
    #25
  6. Kai-Petri

    Kai-Petri Kenraali

    Joined:
    Jul 31, 2002
    Messages:
    26,469
    Likes Received:
    2,208
    Kai-Petri, Mar 7, 2013
    #26
  7. Skipper

    Skipper Kommodore

    Joined:
    Jun 6, 2006
    Messages:
    24,985
    Likes Received:
    2,386
    Imaldo Marcos ?
     
    Skipper, Mar 7, 2013
    #27
  8. lwd

    lwd Ace

    Joined:
    Jul 24, 2007
    Messages:
    12,322
    Likes Received:
    1,245
    Location:
    Michigan
    Indeed I think the Valero chain of stations is owned at least in part by Venezuela. Then there was that incident back a few years ago when heating oil spiked and he actually gave us some, or course he made verry sure the cameras were running when he did it.
     
    lwd, Mar 7, 2013
    #28
  9. lwd

    lwd Ace

    Joined:
    Jul 24, 2007
    Messages:
    12,322
    Likes Received:
    1,245
    Location:
    Michigan
    You have to be very careful with that. He had a lot of support among the poor, the communists, and his cronies. The middle class was very much against him as was at least a good portion of the upper class. Then of course once he was in power he proceded to control most if not all the media so it presented information that supported him.
     
    lwd, Mar 7, 2013
    #29
Page 2 of 2

Share This Page