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Discussion in 'The Stump' started by Ben Dover, Nov 10, 2016.

  1. Kai-Petri

    Kai-Petri Kenraali

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    You should never underestimate the opponent. George W was sure to go after one "season" but Democrats only had "fun" waiting for the election they were sure to win.

    Now Trump has some promises to fulfill or he will hear about it for the next four years. I reckon it takes 6 months and if there is nothing happening or anything started, Trump will hear it. China has been already hurt and they will not do businez with you guys, and many countries will be happy about it because they can take your place. The man has already done damage to foreign policy and economy before he has sworn the oath. Good going.

    If Trump will help other than rich people, I will be amazed. Also he said nasty things about Republican party leaders, we´ll see if they have stopped sharpening their knives. There´s is just so much you can do and get away with it. maybe JFK forgot that...
     
  2. KodiakBeer

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    Only to those on the left.
     
  3. RichTO90

    RichTO90 Well-Known Member

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    No problem Price, I'm not trying to read things into your post, I'm trying to understand your post. If that is worse than you expected of me than so be it. However, it was also very late last night after a 14-hour work day, so I guess I was irritated when A-58 decided to answer for you. If I sounded offensive then I apologize.

    Okay, you neither like nor dislike anything Obama did by EO. Fine. But I still would like to know which EOs he issued that avoided building a coalition? They must be easy to list, since everyone I have conversed with who claims this as a reason for their distrust/dislike/whatever of Obama cite it. Only they never provide me with an answer as to which one/ones were so problematic to them. They usually then go off on the "well there were so many of them" tack. Which doesn't fly either...did you notice the estimate of as many as 50,000 EO-equivalents that early Presidents may be considered to issue.

    The EO is an Executive Order, just like it says. It is a tool of the Chief Executive. It has been used for decades to balance the power of the Executive with the Legislative and the Judicial. As far as I can see complaining about Presidential use of the EO is like complaining about the Electoral College. If an EO is offensive to Constitutional order then it is up the Supreme Court or Congress to strike it down. That's just the way it works, blaming the President for using the tools of his office is like blaming a painter for applying paint to canvas.
     
  4. GRW

    GRW Pillboxologist WW2|ORG Editor

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  5. belasar

    belasar Court Jester

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    Hillary is now touting the 'Stab in the back' theory with FBI Director Comey being responsible for her loss.
     
  6. denny

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    https://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/03/31/1508336/-Part-of-Trump-s-Answer-That-Got-Audible-Gasps-From-the-Audience?detail=emailclassic&link_id=1&can_id=aa2b564de91811bddf0d0c3e1c5857a8&source=email-the-second-part-of-trumps-answer-that-got-audible-gasps-from-the-audience-2&email_referrer=the-second-part-of-trumps-answer-that-got-audible-gasps-from-the-audience-2&email_subject=the-second-part-of-trumps-answer-that-got-audible-gasps-from-the-audience
     
  7. LJAd

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    She has to do it, otherwise people would know that she laughed and spat in the face of her own voters .Parading as the defender of the poor man and receiving billions from Wall Street and other suspected individuals and spending $ millions for the wedding of her daughter and spending $ 10 million to buy her daughter a new flat ,while her electors had a lot of problems to pay their bills for water, electricity, heating, housng, etc...

    She has only contempt for the average American and she showed it publicly .
     
  9. Brian Smith

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    From this side of the Pond it always seemed a nightmare scenario to me, but what I find difficult to get my head round is that all these anti Trump protesters appear to want HC in the WH.

    As for the FBI taking just a few days to clear HC on the emails, many decades ago I was sent on a speed reading course to help pick up the important facts in the many documents that came across my desk - now I do not know the exact number of emails found, how many staff were reading them and how many hours each worked but I find it difficult to believe they checked every email in the short time they were looking at this new batch.
     
  10. chibobber

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    The e-mails totaled 600,000. A computer program was used that would pick out previously known facts.(I'm sure it was more complicated than my explanation.)
    Nothing new was found that had not already been reviewed.Hence the outcome.

    Oh,My only thought on all this is:The system worked.Blind loyalty to one ideology leads to some very chilling consequences.
     
  11. KodiakBeer

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    To put it simply, the FBI (in theory) is supposed to be a wholly independent agency that operates without fear of political consequence. The reality is that it is headed by the same dirty bastards that head all the other agencies. People, con men really, who move from private government contractor firms to lobbies to government positions and back again.
    Comey, the head of the FBI, is no different. He was a VP at Lockheed when they got a 24 billion dollar contract (called Deepwater) to build a new fleet of 49 Coast Guard cutters. Whistle blowers, experienced marine engineers, pointed out that the hulls would collapse in heavy seas along with a myriad of other deficiencies. Comey, as legal counsel pulled in favors from shit politicians who shut down the investigation before it even began.

    When the vessels began coming off the line, the Coast Guard tried again to shut down the contract because the first 8 vessels suffered buckled hulls even in moderate seas. Comey again pulled in favors and the coast guard was forced to accept the vessels and retrofit them out of their own budget, instead of Lockheed fixing the mess they created.

    Comey moved directly from that enormous con job to head the FBI. This is the quality of the people who run important agencies. You are only left to wonder if Comey is doing what he does (shielding Hillary) because of blackmail to expose and prosecute him for this or some other crime, or because he was bribed with a promise of some other lucrative contractor position.
     
  12. A-58

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    Crap like this really shakes one's faith in the gubment. I hope that Trump sends Comey packing when he takes office. No doubt what Comey would've done if Obama, or Hilliary if she would have gotten into the White House would've got his phone and pen in hand to issue an Executive Order trying to circumvent the 2nd Amendment.
     
  13. Takao

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    Looks like Kodiak has a burr up his butt for Comey. So much so, that he is willing to make up "facts" to fit his fantasy.


    First, they were not building a "new" fleet...They were refurbishing and extending the length of old USCG Island class cutters.

    Second, the contract was awarded in June, 2002. Comey did not join Lockheed until October, 2005.


    Again, this happened well before Comey joined Lockheed. In 2002-2003, concerns were already being raised regarding structural problems. Despite the manufactures claim that they could surmount the problems, these concerns were proven true in September, 2004, when the first converted cutter, Matagorda, developed cracks while traveling at high speed in heavy seas. Still, the program was allowed to continue to convert more cutters.

    When did Comey join Lockheed? Oh, yes, it was October, 2005.


    Hmmmmmm...

    The Coast Guard did not try to, they did, in May, 2005. Again, Comey would not join Lockheed until October, 2005.



    Now, rather than mingling facts with fiction, Kodiak should have stuck to the facts. However, by sticking to the facts it is far harder to prove Kodiak's fears. Because, the question will arise was Comey being told everything, or was he being kept in the dark by Lockheed higher ups, as per his letter to whistleblower Michael DeKort.
    http://pogoarchives.org/m/co/comey-letter-20060626.pdf
     
  14. KodiakBeer

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    The problems and chicanery around Deepwater continued well after Comey took a VP position with Lockheed. He was well aware of the issues and used his government connections to put the final nail in the coffin. He may well have been hired for those government connections and influence, in the same way that defense contractors hire retired generals to influence defense contracts.

    
    https://www.thenation.com/article/will-botched-coast-guard-contract-come-back-bite-james-comey/
     
  15. A-58

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    Well I still don't like Comey. Got a funny name, sort've sounds like "commie"....
     
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    belasar Court Jester

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    Finally! A clear and concise argument!
     
  17. KodiakBeer

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    He's likely no worse than anybody in Washington. They're all insiders playing the system to get rich.
     
  18. LJAd

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    He was bedding on two horses and lost . He will be fired . He can write a book with as title " How I duped Hillary and Donald " ,which will have a lot of publicity on the Miberal Media .
     
  19. Poppy

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    Waiting for a "Black People In Africa Voted" thread...There does seem to be a lot of white folk kicking it in the US. Go figure.
    Also heard there were 3 million or so illegals who voted for the hill. Nice try dems, maybe next time.
    Edit- as a Canadian, i should not be so concerned. Or rude. Apologies.
     
  20. von Poop

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    Serious query #2:

    How would illegal residents get to vote?
    Is the register of electors, or whatever your equivalent is, based solely on residence?
    Though... Thinking about it, I'm really not precisely certain how ours is compiled. Have a strong suspicion I wouldn't want to be on it were I here illegally.

    All predicated of course on whether you have a similar system of registering to vote. Assuming so as you seem to have this 'Registered Democrat/Republican/Independent' thing, but such details in US politics do appear to vary greatly from state to state?
     

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