I was looking for something else and ran across another recent article: The anthropological perspective on race: an historical overview
Jumping in here in the middle---- I am happy with this thread so far. Good job by all. Y'all keep it up as long as it is relevant.
Yes Not at all. I'm saying there are so many different ways of defining these terms that it's a mistake to over emphasise their importance (of course it's a tautology to state it that way but..). IE it may be a useful construct for me to define certain groups of Indians as belonging to specfic populations/sub populations/races (take your pick). But one shouldn't read too much in to it or be upset if another person defines them all as one or lumps different groups or indeed speperates them into yet more groups. Here I disagree. It is very easy to find such factors. They can be skin color, eye color, hair color, foot shape, blood type, the genes that control these or many other characteristics or some combination of them. What there is not is a unique way of doing so. On the otherhand what's a species to a "splitter" may be a sub-species to a "lumper". The problem is not just the data but the details of the defintion. And there is no truly "right" or "wrong" defintion. It's in the defintion and interpretation of the words. No. I'm saying in the reports I've looked at so far (and I've more to study) those who "disproved" the biological basis of race took a very narrow and singular defintion of the term (one might almost call it a strawman) and proved that that was not supported. They then claimed that they had disprovem the biological basis of race in a way that is easily interpreted to mean the whole concept. That may be but I'm far from convinced. I haven't read much lately in that area but I was keeping up pretty well into the 90s and the diversity of opinions in the field of anthropology is truely amazing and often held with a level of emotion that those without exposure to the field would be shocked at. There's something wrong with acknowledging that we have many (perhaps even hundreds) of such groups? I would agree that there is little to support a general defintive biological bases to divide humanity into a handful of groups. But why is this required? Certianly there are species of animals that are viable with populations in the 100s, why should we say that a human population to be considered worth noteing has to be in the 1,000,000s? I'm not sure there is one or that it's relevant. I was indeed shocked that anyone would say that they have disproven the biological basis of race. And you have provided sources that claim to. I've got to study some more but my gut feeling is that as I stated they have disproven a varry narrow and not universily accepted defintion and then stated is such a way that it easily misleads people in to thinking they have proved more than they have.
Very interesting article. My anthropology studies tended to be more into archeology and and prehistory or very ealry historical settings so I've missed a lot of this. I think it confirms my earlier hypothesis of what they were saying was that their is no defintive general skeme for dividing humanity into races. I don't have a problem with that at all. One thing that I noticed they left out of the article above which does have some relevence is the use or perhaps more appropriately misuse of the work of anthropologist by those with specific racist agenda's. I suspect it is at least part of the motivation for some of the papers that attack the concept (I don't mean this to be a critism either far from it). It's also worth noteing that with modern means of travel the gene pools are mixing at a rate that would hardly have been concievable even 100 years ago. The result is that the we may reach the point in the not two distant future when the only race is currently inhabeting the planet is the human race. To throw an element of humor back into this conversation at one of the colleges I attended they had the obligatory select your race block on a form. One of the options was "alien".
I'm starting to get the feeling that semantics, which you have also noted, may be our main dividing point. Remember that movie, The Hellstrom Chronicle (1971) ? Except he was talking about insects! LOL!