Pearl Harbor was a TRAP TO CATCH A (JAPANESE)

... your education later in life is not easy an easy thing to do, I've thought about it myself.

We were lucky to have Phil Jacobsen on THC, he'd served as a code breaker in Hawaii under Joe Rochefort, great source and like you very passionate when it came to conspiracy theories. He was still in the saddle when he died, rather quickly a few years ago.

 

Doesn't appear to be, then again it must be 15 years old. I wasn't part of the discussion board, which isn't busy, and as far as I can recall the board has always had that appearance.

Craig's into modelling, last year he built a USS Enterprise (his father had served as a radar officer aboard her during the Solomons) the decking saved from the ship itself, VERY nice - he hasn't posted any photos in his section??

 

... I didn't expect to be reading Phil's obit! I knew he died fast, even watched him on the tube once, didn't know everything he'd done with his life. What did he go by on the boards?

 

Same as on THC.

Thanks

 

Amazing how you can be marginally coherent and offensive at the same time. It might help if you tried writing clearly before you tried being clever.

 

Behind the desk on the wall a framed word shouted out at me...THINK! I looked at the balding manager in the chair and wondered; When is the last time he had an original thought? In fact, has he ever questioned anything? I used to be that way as well, but I was a younger man that still believed everything I read. The Toronto Pie story requires the framed word THINK. Sure, Toronto Taranto, tomato tomato potato potato! I'm just glad Americans are so deep in denial that they forget that Canadians burned down the Whitehouse, a frat party apparently and someone dropped a candle! I posed an observation that America honored their navel agreement with China, I never said that they just let it happen! I wouldn't, so why would they! But it did happen, and China owes America the appreciation that they honored their promises. A trap does not necessarily mean "Bait!" A trap can be a door that onced entered and closed, cannot be reopened. Kind of like a live trap. The Japanese came in, closed the door....and waited for the Nazis to open the door for them, but that never came.

What happened, the Nazi surprise should have kept the US off Japan's back, and kept them out of Europe.

Twice I asked the question, twice is was ignored. No element of PH should be left out when you eat the Toronto Pie,...yet again and again it is done. Is it habit, is it denial, is it on purpose to hide secret knowledge? Or is it just out of fear to question the official version. 25,000 pages and no one thought the obvious. When you don't get the right answers, change the questions. Obviously Hitler screwed up! Whatever he had slipped out of his hands...(when the fair virgin was raped!) Someone was in love with the virgin, changed sides, and took their tools with them. That left Hitler holding an empty bag, and a thousand suns setting on Japan. Now that was clever!

I know, this will be ignored as usual Ace, at least you tried!

ps. Rational Reasoning is based on foundational percepts; Obtain all the information, use all the information,...and then connect the dots.

 

I have no idea what you are saying.

 

Lets be clear. History is like a sponge, the more you squeeze, the more comes out.

Distance from the event makes it easier to look at the bigger picture, making for clearer thinking.

Historians tend to do their PHD's on obscure points missed by history texts, that is kinda what we are doing here.


Something is missing from Pearl Harbor history; an explanation that uses all the information creditably, or even increditably but it USES ALL THE INFORMATION.

1. I propose that the US had an outstanding Navel agreement with China for protection from colonization. (AKA Japanese) Slow in coming and PH hurt!
Ever notice that if you don't do what you said you were going to do, you still end up having to do it but it cost far more than if you had just done it!
2. Militarily, the Axis had to isolate the US from their plans, entry of the US would be a game changer. Nothing, absolutely nothing should be done to draw America
into the war. Problem was, the Brits dragged the US foot into the door with the lend/lease on fifty mothballed destroyers. Providing guns makes one culpable.
3. The Japanese attack Pearl Harbor, and Hitler declares war.....what! Aww, see number 2 above! Something is missing from the equation. An attack on the West
coast to stun America momentarily and cripple the fleet should have been followed up by an attack on the East Coast...which didn't materialize! This is
the monster in the closet. I have a sneaking suspicion, that Pearl Harbor changed the game in more ways than one.
4. Someone had a secret weapon...someone Hitler thought he controlled, but a Trol cannot really be controlled! A Trol is a Trol because they have an
independent mind; thats why Trols are hermits, hunker down in caves, tinker with things! Sure, they would fight Communism,...but not America! And once they
were committed by nature of association, they would have played a delaying game while they searched for an exit strategy. This left Hitler holding the bag.



PS: I am not really saying "What if," I'm saying a car does not go very far on three tires, there has to be a forth tire here. Historians need to give their head a shake, History with missing pieces is not actually history, it is a fools paradise!

 

Call me a stickler, but I say there is a big difference between Toronto and Taranto. If you're trying to make a coherent argument, it doesn't hurt to spell things properly.

Are you doing your Ph.D on this topic? If so, can you cite some reputable sources? Some of your 'evidence' is circumstantial at best, and most of it makes no sense at all -- like the whole "Toronto Pie" analogy. I honestly have a very difficult time following your arguments because every other sentence is a poorly thought out and inappropriate analogy. For the record, I don't think your argument is "missed point": its revisionism and fact twisting at its worst.

 

I find this facinating, and if you all get around to translating it into english, or even the Queen's english, I am sure I'll find it even more facinating. yes I'm being ironic and just a little confused (rather more than usual)

 

Not really. I suggest you skip the analogies your bad at it.

For some people. Not for others. Doesn't seem to be relevant to your postings so far. Of course your postings aren't reallly relevant to the issue at hand for the most part or even each other.

Not really.

Your assumption is poorly stated and poorly supported.

Why?

??? waxing incoherent again.

I think you just failed the Turing test.

The Axis powers didn't see it that way so this is irrelevant to the topic at hand. Your analysis of LL is shallow and incorrect.

I suggest what is missing is a basic understanding of events of the time on your part.

Geographically challenged as well as historically challenged I see. Hawaii is not on the West coast. As for an attack on the East Coast ever heard of Drumbeat?

Not really.

Most of us don't really care what your suspicions are. If you can't support them with fact and logic we'd just as soon you kept them to yourself.

???? I suppose you mean troll. I see your understanding of European mythology is as flawed as your understanding of history and mythology.

That is almost totally incoherent.

I'm beginning to think you don't have a much better idea of what you are saying than we do and that's not saying much.

 

He had some information?

 

I am going to throw another wrench into your conspiracy theory mechanism. Remember that FDR was at one time the Asst. Secretary to the Navy, and a die hard Navy man. I highly doubt he would want to put his Navy's men, much less ships, in a position to be used as cannon fodder! I find it hard to believe he would care so little for his men, that he would sacrifice them.