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T28 Super Heavy Tank

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  1. ARWR

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    Britain was developing HESH rounds for this purpose - it would seem logical that the US would also have been developing specialist ammunition
     
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    Thanks ARWR!
    What was the 'shelled area' concept to which you referred earlier?
     
  3. Prospero Quevedo

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    Yeah one of the reasons I would prefer the t29 105 gun had a turret and almost three times faster. Later lead to the development of the t30 155 gun and the T34 ,120 gun. While reading came across the m103 didn't know anything about it. Looks a lot like a m48 with a 120 mm gun. 300 built army 80 Marines 220
     
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    Prospero can you post a picture of the M103?
     
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    Sorry tried to download some pics but can't seem to get it. Still not able to get around much and can't reach my computer. But there's lot of pics online as well as top side font and rear view blueprints as well as info sites encyclopedia of tanks seems the best much better than wiki
     
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    Could it handle the German 88 mm AT ammo?
     
  7. Prospero Quevedo

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    Not sure how good the protection was. I thought it was funny one article I read referred to it as the beast. Looked like a beast so big compared to others
     
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    isn't this it?
    upload_2021-7-3_5-30-12.jpeg
     
  9. Prospero Quevedo

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    Looks like it is that a t55 next to it I knew it was big but it makes that other tank look like a baby
     
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    ....if you make a part on a tank/plane/etc bigger, that usually affects the other parts--so this creates problems = it's not easy designing, producing, then testing, then re-designing, etc tanks/aircraft/etc...I directly worked with engineering/engineers for 14 years.....on simple restaurant equipment.....and even with software designed for engineering/''designing'', they still screwed up a lot
     
  11. Riter

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    Save for the Soviet Union, it was not uncommon during WW2 for an army to develop a super-heavy tank. Japan was developing one, the British had the Tortise, the Germans the Maus (and other impractical designs). The Soviets knew about weight limitations and even the JS-III was comparable to the Panther in terms of weight. Earlier Soviet designs like the T-35 were a dismal failure (mechanically unreliable, too thinly armoured) and some superheavy KV (which were abandoned).
     
  12. Prospero Quevedo

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    Russia had some pretty crazy tank programs. Some looking like old out of date WWI tanks. Their development titles like we t20 t26 them object 668 object 690 strange. Lots of small poroduction psych for field testing five or ten. Lots of wild designs on the KV huge turrets like the KV2 but with huge high powered antitank guns. Had that one with that experimental long barreled 152. That had to be something to fire such a huge shell at high velocity. I know we were working on similar guns and the British I'm sure the Germans must have hitler was always about bigger and more powerful. When I started my armore collection for the most part ignored the Japanese much to my disappointment nowadays there's a lot more out there now type97 and type 89 chi ri and chi to, a series of Japanese medium and heavy tanks all pretty much look alike they just get bigger like two are so close in shape and all just one has one more road wheel than the other. And there are real slab sided should be easy todo conversions of other models many were like five or ten the heavy heavy tank was a one only prototype. Not even sure if they even finished it but it was captured and taken by military Intel for study. I'm sorry they couldn't finish the t29 in time to ship out the were all ready for full production but only got like ten I think done before the canceled it and shut down the factory wonder what happen to all the parts road wheels tracks unfinished hulls just melted down into girders rails and steel for cars. The only combatant that never managed to build a true heavy tank was Italy the P40 was called a heavy but it didn't have a big gun and it was more comparable to the Sherman.
     
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    I wouldn't say "save for the Soviet Union", since the Soviet Union had been working on developing the KV-4 & KV-5. Not to mention a few earlier designs that did not pan out. The KV-5 would have been completed had not the war started and gone so disasteriously for the Soviets in 1941. They more than likely would have kept at it like this British did with the TOG 1 & 2.
     
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    I'm aware of the KV-5, but it never really got off the ground for the reason you stated. It likely would have had transmission issues like the JS-III.
     
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    Yeah the 4&5 were interesting concepts it is amazing how many projects were based on the KV chassis. Lol saw a drawing guess it's just some guys idea of what the kv5 should have been. Looks likes su152 with a kv1 turret on top looks crazy but not out of range of what the soviet state might have tried. Thanks for you time and information
     
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    In terms of sheer volume if not weight, I believe the Char 2C holds the WW2 Service prize.
    Well... If scuttled & dumped counts.

    Bunting.
    Screenshot 2021-07-05 040705.jpg

    No bunting.
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    Weight wise, the King Tiger was slightly heavier, the Jagdtiger was a few tons heavier also.

    The Soviets also had produced a few designs in this weight range that did see action, but were not put into production.

    Volume was I would agree with, as this was a World War I design that was not ready before that war ended. Thus, it still followed the principles of WWI large tank designs.
     
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    Do I recall correctly but was the King Tiger engine too weak to produce enough power when first entered the frontline, however, donĀ“t remeber the later phases?
     
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    The Soviets did plan for super heavy tanks, but none ever saw production. They were wise to keep it around 45 tons.

    Here's a postwar assessment of the American tank against its heavier German counterparts.

    http://www.digitalhistoryarchive.co...ttalion_commander_-_tank_versus_tank_1946.pdf
     
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    They did s lot of ambitious prototypes, like the t100, SMK, and kv6 behemoth, the others had some field testing but I don't know about the behemoth but I read they built three so they must have done something as the soviets were always into throwing new tanks into the fire to see what they could do. It would have been a true land ship. The p1000 would have been a true land battleship but just a paper dream, hitler approved it but his minister of appropriations canceled it because they needed the steel for tanks and it would have put a severe strain on the dwindling supplies. I think they said the turret was done actually built for a ship that was never built mostly because not enough steel plus the navy shifted from surface ships to subs. Lol epic battles on YouTube has a battalion of Stalin 3s taking on a Ratt, too funny the Ratt fires s few times then drives up and crushes them. Epic battles are hilarious 30/60 thousand Spartans vs five thousand WWII Germans. 20 thousand Persians vs 300 Spartans might of lasted longer if the Greek rear guard had held their positions and held the pass. They were from a near by town and thought the Persians using a trail through the mountains were attacking there town pulled out to defend their home and families leaving the Spartans alone some smaller Greek units fought but too few others had pulled back to another pass that would be the defeat of Persia. But months later and with most of the Greek armies united. I think the rest of the Spartan army was kept in Sparta. It was a strange system dual kings. One the affairs of state the other affairs of war and security. I'm almost done with my su152, my next a SMK the lower chassis looks similar to the t100 so I might try that as well and another bunch of my KVs for the KV6 I'm down to five reworking one for casting I scaled it and according to my scales it's a bit undersized so I'm adding length and width so my cast should scale closer to true Sizemore 144. Rats having camera issues
     
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