Turkey's Military Say's It Has Taken Over

Let the conspiracy theories begin. My Kurdish friend from Bakur (Dersim). Luckily he now lives in France. Anyway he smelled a rat as soon as Merkel denied Erdog asylum in Berlin. The Ankara Gulag will fill up shortly. Chaos 401.

Another Kurdish friend from Suleymaniah tells a story. When his family escaped Saddam's Anfal through the mountains, his mother almost had to throw him from the mountain into the ravine below (many other mother's on the trek had to do just that, to save their children from freezing to death or agonizing starvation/disease) . There was not enough food and he had nearly succumbed to hypothermia. Fortunately she was able to push through to the camps. Today he is a law student working in the Sydney Court system. A nice story in these days of distress.

Great people who made many Coalition friends during the Battles of Mosul and it's environs during the Gulf War. Friends that return to this day to help them eject the califake of bugdadhi (sic).

 

I must disagree with you here unless you refer to the territory of the Russian-Turkish border. However strained the relations might become there are too many avenues into the region who desire at least some US engagement, not to mention open palms looking for coin from good old Uncle Sam.

More to the point Turkey has good reason not to let any rift get too far (besides US largess) The Norther Bear has been Turkey's traditional bug-a-boo, and that's unlikely to change meaningfully any time soon. A mild and temporary thaw might occur, but eventually Turkey will want the US to balance out things. Then there are the Kurd's. Erdogan worries that the US will greenlight a independent Kurdistan, and to be fair we have been drifting that way for the last couple years. A breech with the US would remove any influence he/they have to prevent it. Not saying it will, just that it becomes more likely, especially if a certain person gets elected President who takes a dim view of 'allies' not 'pulling their weight'.

Relations with 'Arab-Muslim' nations have waxed and waned ever since we began operation in the region and the 'enemy today, brother tomorrow' nature of Arab-Muslim politic's is the only constant

 

Another Kurdish friend in Istanbul is about to write a book regarding the fair weather philosophy of Arabs. Quislings almost to a man. They will back the strongest force in theater - be it ISIS, Nusrah, Lawrence of Arabia, Ottomans, AQAP, FSA. It is inherent to the way they roll. My friend remains objective even while the resettlement, repression and ethnic cleansing of Bakur (N. Kurdistan) continues.

 

With Turkey being a NATO member a complete freezing over of relations seems unlikely, however; a worsening of relations especially when one is accusing the other for taking part in a coupe is all but definite. Considering that the US has just recently started helping the Kurds so much so that Erdogan threatened the US with "them or us" it's difficult to imagine that Turkey would need the US in dealing with the Kurdish population especially when Russia garnishes more influence. The Kurds have a amicable history with the Russians so much so that a Kurdish embassy/consulate of sorts was even opened in Moscow during Soviet times. Me thinks that Turkey needs Russia more than the US in dealing with them.

It has also been reported, now with certainty that it was in fact Russia that warned Erdogan of a coupe hours prior it occurring. Oh the irony....

https://www.google.com/amp/tass.ru/en/amp/889638?client=safari#

Interesting to see what unfolds. A resumption of "Southern Stream" in the foreseeable future might be an indication...

 

If the Russians did, then the Kremlin is not telling.
http://www.imra.org.il/story.php3?id=71077

If true, I wonder what concerned Erdogan more...The impending coup or full knowledge that the Russians are reading Turkey's military "mail?

 

https://themoscowtimes.com/news/russia-warned-turkey-about-imminent-coup-54674

Tho I'm not surprised that Kremlin has kept a lid on this... I would imagine that many in Russia would rather see Erdogan go...

I think this was an isolated message which was captured by Russian Intel... Then again I wouldn't be surprised if they they were snooping one bit.

 

It seems obvious, that the coup was compromised, already more than a few hours before it started.

 

There is a single mastermind with a single objective behind the coup-d'etat series of the past decade. From that only, we can conclude that Erdogan was a better option for the Russian Federation.

Have Russia warned Erdogan? Maybe that is just pure disinformation, but the outcome is favorable for Russia, at least.

 

I agree there will be a frost in US-Turkish relations, but that is hardly new, remember the one when the US held their feet over the fire for the porous borders letting ISIS recruits in to Syria and Oil, cultural/historical artifacts out for profit, and last minute no-go for US troops to go into Iraq from Turkey.

We must also remember that there are multiple "Kurdish" groups, Syrian, Turkish, Iranian and Iraqi. The US has little or no influence with Turkish Kurd's, but not so for Iraqi, and the Iraqi Kurd's are far closer to full autonomy than any other. It is in that area, and to a lesser extent Syrian Kurd's that The US has influence. Turkey fears any Kurdish state, within or without Turkey. Russia has some influence over Syrian Kurd's (due to support of Assad) and absolutely none over Iraqi Kurd's.

If any Kurdish state emerges, in any country, it will complicate the Kurdish problems in other nations, and if the US retains good relations with the most likely proto-Kurdistan, just how far can Erdogan allow US-Turkish relations to slide?