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USMC and women in infantry

Discussion in 'The Stump' started by USMCPrice, Mar 17, 2015.

  1. USMCPrice

    USMCPrice Idiot at Large

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    Equal pay for equal work. Sounds fair.
    Women in uniform was a great video, at least (thanks Luke).
    The Skyhooks- Women In Uniform
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Scn934CwsM
     
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    I remember having a girlfriend in the army...she had BIg boobs...she looked great in her DPCUs (camo)...but it was the tight belted ceremonial uniform, and her office tight skirt and full button shirt tucked tightly in it that got me going...she woke up at 6 on a Saturday morning once, I asked her where are you going!? She said M60 practice....sigh....
     
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    Its funny how some suffer such a huge estrogen stroke, to be so blinded by the media propaganda, that they do not even understand.....females Why Now.? What is changing/about to change in the military class, and their foreign policy against foreign countries.
    Just ONE point...any idea the Money To Be made from supporting more females, especially in/near combat. It is a paradigm that all fits tightly into the US strategy of having a jobless economy.
    There is no real question, and the few studies show, there will be No Weakening of the offensive power of the US Corporate Armed Forces. The force/power will be strengthened. Apparently the only citizens of The World that do not realize this are some of the males that inhabit the USA.
    It is such a classic case of misdirect, it is almost funny.....like people that thought Water Gate was some big, breaking, news revelation. Water Gate was not a big story, the big story was missed by all but a few in "the media".
    The same applies here. Females in the military has nothing to do with increasing or decreasing the striking power of the US Corporate Armed Forces against other entities.
    While blowhards are crying about boobs in uniform, the real story floats by.
    As NSA officials were lying to congress, the "news" agencies were busy convincing the obedient masses that Edward Snowden had committed a heinous crime.....telling the truth.
    Welcome to 1984
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    I've had a few estrogen strokes, it was - meh.
    Why now? ...Guessing feminism, hillary, trans bathrooms, CNN (clinton news network), political correctness, the left, hollywood, cher, and a whole lot of saudi money. .
    All that is bad.
     
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    From the article-"But Marine officials at Training Command contend the changes are not an effort to water down standards." Yeah right, and submarines routinely operate with screen doors. It is what is.
     
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    And down the slippery slope they slide...
     
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    Army standards dropping fast.

     
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    BCT is Basic Combat Training, so they won't know how to throw a grenade if they find themselves in combat. They're also doing away with LandNav so hopefully they won't be able to find the fight. BTW, it was a lack of LandNav skills when the GPS went down that led to the 507th Maintenance Company (Jessica Lynch) to stumble into An Nasiriyah and get wiped out and captured. The ten survivors of group 2 were fortunate the first of the Marines moving up to secure the bridges were approaching the city.

    "Captain King (CO 507th) pleaded with the Marines to save his soldiers. General Natonski ordered his lead battalion commander, LtCol Rick Grabowski, to press forward and find the remaining soldiers of the 507th. He said to Grabowski, "We have to save those soldiers; they would do it for us."

    Now LtCol Grabowski's Marines had two missions; secure the bridges and rescue as many of the stranded soldiers as they could. He immediately ordered Major Bill Peeples to move forward with his M1 tanks. TEAM TANK pressed forward and soon they were receiving fire from both sides of the road.

    Meanwhile, ten soldiers had abandoned their shot-up vehicles and raced for cover in a trench along the side of the road. Running low on ammunition and with five wounded, they resigned themselves to the fact that they would not survive the day. They all resolved that they would go down fighting. They lay in the trench for nearly an hour, waiting for the Iraqis to close in on their position and their final stand against the enemy. Suddenly, Staff Sergeant Tarik Jackson, cocked his head, "Listen!" he exclaimed.

    "Do you hear that?"

    "It sounds like our tanks!"

    Someone peeked up out of the trench and saw Major Peeples Marine tanks approaching."


    The 507th got into a bad situation because they lacked basic essential training, they were unable to properly defend themselves when things went bad because they had never been trained to fight. The US Army realized this was a serious issue so, in the aftermath the US Army implemented BCT for all soldiers regardless of MOS, not just infantry soldiers. The Marine Corps has always given all its personnel Combat Training, at present all non inantry Marines attend MCT (Marine Combat Training) a 30 day course where they acquire the skills to serve as an infantry element if required. This training is only one week less than the length of the Army's actual Infantry School. If the MarineCorps has time, why not the US Army? If the soldiers lack strength and discipline why not make Basic more physically challenging or extend it? It's still three weeks shorter than Marine Corps Boot Camp and that includes the two weeks it was lengthened to incorporate BCT .
     
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    I've said this before but I think it's worth saying again: Two previous armies have seriously experimented with women in infantry roles. They are he USSR and Israel. Both armies are serious about defense, both used women in infantry combat and both have gone away from this idea. There's probably a good reason for them to have done so.
     
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    And yet, remarkably, there is this opinion piece in Haaretz.... dated January 10, 2018.

    And Israel Defense Forces Ombudsman Maj. Gen. Yitzhak Brick has said in an earlier interview that female combat soldiers were increasingly “taking a central place in the IDF’s field operations.”

    And in this article from November 2017 it states "IDF's four mixed gender battalion add 2,700 female soldiers in 2017—compared to 547 in 2012—a record high that continues a 5-year trend of women seeking combat postings ..."
     

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