Gore, you don't "really" know do you? I met a few men who served H~O~N~O~R~A~B~L~Y in the Waffen SS-some of these men Recipients of the Knights Cross of the Iron Cross, and NO-THESE men did NOT earn their KCs by baby-killing, raping, pillaging, brigandage etc, THESE men earned their high awards for bravery in COMBAT. One man in particular, was a good friend of mine (and Pauls) till he passed away years ago. Do NOT use such a blanket statement about the men who served in the Waffen SS or for that matter, in the German Armed Forces in WWII. I and many here, have met many WWII German Vets and also have become friends with many. I for one, am VERY PROUD to have been friends with, actually met in person with, many many WWII German Veterans. Some of these men were in the Waffen SS, but most were either in the Kriegsmarine, and the Army. I am still friends with several WWII German vets and I care for them a lot because they are good friends of mine. I care for them as much as I do our Vets. Oh and, one man in particular, was a N~A~Z~I, but he wasnt a Sphincter-Muscle as you wish to blanketly say he is in your VERY misguided statements about WWII German veterans. True, I met one--ONE WWII German Vet that I thought was a prick, thats one out of about 250 or so I have met over the past 12 or more years, just one. Im NOT going to give out the Waffen SS vets name so as to keep someone with the same kind of negative opinions as you have here, cannot dishonor this great person and very fine-Soldier; with wrong and negative words. I knew and met this person in particular, so I know how he was. My good friend Paul has met many many more RKTs than I have and he too knows how these men are and were. I was invited to Germany by a group of WWII German vets to be a Guest of Honor at their 9th reunion in Bad Camberg. I was so honored as well as they honored both my travelling friend and I by making us both honorable members of U 181 as well as the Kriegsmarine. I don't care if you will hate my guts because i was so honored? Meeting and being friends with many of these vets, will be something i will always be honored and priviledged to have had the chance to experience. The Waffen SS RKT I speak VERY highly of, is one I easily will place as one of my personal heroes of WWII, some of the others are of course British and AMerican, one being a Recipient of the Victoria Cross, the other being a Medal of Honor Recipient. You know, of all the American and British Vets I have ever met and have told them of my German story too, not a one of them ever had a bad thing to say about my experience with these guys and all of them thought it was a great thing. Not a one of them disliked me for having friends who were WWII German Vets-not one. Also, Over the years, I have had the great priviledge to have reunited a WWII American Vet with the German Vet who had been his Captor-and savior-to whom he started a friendship with that lasted through the rest of the war. They lost contact before the end of the war, and on seeing a post I made here on this site about 8 years ago, he contaced me for help in finding his German Vet/Friend. Trying to find this guy was strictly a shot in the dark as well as having great luck on my side. After a few months, I found the German Vet, told him about the request of an American vet one whom he had helped save during the war. Well, once I sent the info to the German Vet, he contacted his American friend. These two visited each other at least twice a year till the German vet passed away. The American vet passed away about a year later. They both gave me full credit to having made the rest of their lives a bit happier because in the small way I helped them reunite. Ive aso had WWII German vets contact me through their Children and Grandchildren to help them get in touch with former Comrades. One man in particular was Herr Gerhard Kortz. The surviving members of his Uboat crew had long since thought him killed during the war, when in fact, it turned out that he had been captured somewhere and held in a PW camp in Wales-where after the war-he decided to stay where he got married and raised a family. I gave his contact info to three U 181 vets and they all stayed in touch with him till he passed away and they too cept for one-had passed away. These men gave me full credit for their reunion wiht a long thought lost comrade. The children and grandchildren of Herr Korts, gave me full credit for making their Father/Grandfather, a bit happier before he passed away Another example of something I was able to participate in and VERY proud to have been given the chance, was when another U 181 vet had his Grandson contact me through this site, and wanted me to send him 1-2 photos I took of his Comrades at theri reunion. I gladly said I would send a photo and actually sent about 30-40 or so pics of the reunion.. This vet was too sick to attend the reunion, and was also going blind. Well, about 3 weeks after he recieved all the photos I took of the reunion, he lost his eyesight and passed away not long after. His Grandson and family thanked me for helping make his final days a bit happier. I have other stories too that ill not elaborate on, but will end with this, I also met (by phone) another Waffen SS Vet who was also a French Foreign Legion Vet, that the book: Devils Guard, was written about. This vet made me an honorary member Nr 505, of the French Foreign Legion's all German battalion Vets Org. I still have one of two of the cards he sent me, the other I gave to my Waffen SS RKT friend. And jsut to keep someone from thinking I dont have much to do with OUR vets-well think again. One was in the 101st Airborne Div, and he made me an honorary member of his PIR. I am just as honored to be a member of his vets org as I am to any of the German Orgs im a member of. Paul, is also a member of certain vets Orgs too. In closing, before making such blanket statements about German Vets-like yours from before in this thread, I think you should make an effort to meet a few WWII German Vets and maybe-your opinions of them might change for the better. Thanks to Paul, I met or were in touch with more RKTs, as well as a Gent whom ill always be fond of who was a Victoria Cross Recipient of WWII. Ill not mention his name here in case someone hates Victoria Cross Recipients. I dont want his name slandered either-nor remembering him slurred in any way, shape or form. Bye!