What Is Going On With Immigration In The U.S.?

Was going to bring up buying votes for the democrats. Because- has any new (poor) immigrant ever voted republican.

 

Poppy, the most recent estimate is that there are 11 MILLION illegals in the US right now. If we open that door with an amnesty and a promise of "free stuff" we could see an exodus of many times that number flooding in. We can't afford it.

 

Really? I think not. This country has been on a downhill slope for a while now. Also, the latest influx has been child immigrants. Not families. Not adults coming over to look for a better life. This kids are not coming here to work. They are not coming here to contribute.

How the heck did this start in the first place? Not to mention what is the idiot in chief doing about it? Going to Texas to raise funds and a cursory meeting with the Texas Governor of which the idiot in chief will only give lip service is not dealing with the issue at hand.

As far as compromising......well that is not a solution. How about voting for those individuals who have the nation's interests in their hearts. Those who will not flinch or surrender to the professionals that only have their pockets on their minds. Wanting our leaders to compromise is falling into that trap they have set for us......keeping us divided. Having us think that there is an us and them. As long as America is divided into two camps, things will never go well for the people, only well for the politicians.

Immigration policies are set, they exist and they need to be followed. If they need to be changed, then so be it. Whether the policies now in place or future policies that come along dictate, anyone who comes illegally should be deported. Borders should be secured. End of story.

The point is, no country has unlimited resources to support such an influx. It costs money and this country is broke!

NOTE: Both my grandparents were immigrants. They didn't come in illegally. They became citizens. They contributed as did their descendents. They never were supported by the government. What they had was earned, not given to them.

 

Nobody was really complaining before this new influx. Wonder how many have crossed in the last 4-5 months. ..11 million illegals total. That's 7 million more than the total pop of Alberta. A lot of peeps. ..
...They wouldn't like it here. It's very cold almost all the time. Pretty sure nobody wants to sleep in an igloo. ..Sasquatch finds foreigners tastey, and hunts them especially.

 

It's always been a topic here. But... a few years ago the people coming in were looking for work. Even people that didn't like it could tolerate it because they were (mostly) a pretty good bunch taking a big risk to find work. Now though, with Obama ordering the border patrol to break the law and halt arrests and deportations it has created a frenzy all the way down into Central America. They're flooding north because they are getting the message that Obama will push through a general amnesty. He's completely removed the risk factor and so it's turning into a flood.

I don't think he'll get his amnesty. There's going to be a huge backlash - in fact it's already started. People who never gave a damn about illegal immigration are protesting these busloads of illegals that Obama is dumping around the country. He's literally dumping hundreds, thousands, of people into small towns and basically saying deal with it - house them, feed them. And this in the middle of a huge recession...

I think Comrade Obama is a little bit nuts to start a battle that he can't win. The 2014 congressional elections are going to very interesting.

 

Clearly I am mis-understood, I am not familiar with conquistas but know there are many groups in the southern hemisphere I do not support politically..........what relationship we have with Mexico is important to our economy and to theirs. How quick many are to say what we can or cannot afford.......now that it is the style and political atmosphere to say so........but throughout most of the decade you(as a political force) were silent and content with the politics that actually spent that money on the war. The figures and statistics of our economic standing in the world don't support your perceived state of poverty based on future collapses or weaknesses in certain aspects of our markets, especially when compared to similar markets in other countries. I for one, am against using tax payer money to solve all these problems even if I disagree with your description of our dire straits. It is clear you are victim of your own conundrum of perceived circumstances. On the one hand you want to regulate our borders to bring about order..........on the other hand compromise is not a solution so by default inaction will happen as a result of our congress. It is my bet that you are following the marching orders of the ideology that you are victim of. The banks that were "too big to fail" have not been changed to prevent the same in the future because that would be yes that hated thought...."government regulation". You do not feel rich enough to feel the prosperity because you do not see your self in that controlling 1 percent of the economic elite so you feel the country is poor. Yet daily you must be ignoring the various markers our economy have long used to measure its successes by, and they are regularly setting records in trading volumes and the monetary markets couldn't be happier with their present day gains. I am of a moderate middle roader but realize I often get labeled "liberal" but I actually hate the liberal fringes as much as I hate the right wing destructors. I am more supportive of business in a "hands off" way when they are enterprising new ground. However the large banks are enterprising without conscience on old ground maintaining their bigness to always be too big to fail. This will again necessitate that corporate welfare again will have to save them when they get to reap the benefits of a taxpayer rescue. So when you support deregulation, you are actually supporting that corporate welfare that is usually about 800 times as large as the other welfare that the taxpayer must support---yet you are silent on that spending as stopping that would require "regulating". Again the conundrum of your point of view. Please forgive me if you are an individual and I have not accurately given you your identity but I know who makes up this forum and am used to the onslaught when it comes to the politics and choose not to belabor and argue every single position and point.

It is a plain hard fact that border rules have never been as enforced and as strictly interpreted by the border authorities as they have been under the leadership and scrutiny of the president we have today. Then there is the accusation that to get more votes more are being let through the border. I am of hispanic lineage and was raised Catholic and know the strictness of the beliefs I was made to share and practice in my youth so I laugh at that foolish concept. Perhaps if you believe such things you need to move around some of the people that escaped Cuba and see of what make-up they have amongst themselves politically. Yet I must admit, this natural disposition has been altered by the political antics of viewing friends as enemies to the point that a great number of conservative people do not find it in their interests to remain so politically. There is a point where ideology begins to trump the interests of a most conservative group because of the conundrums of these views. I am simply stating that I do not accept that we are too poor to do this or to do that......we as a nation are incredibly strong and resourceful and I have a great deal of respect for that and I don't take it for granted. I will do my part to work hard to make us all better but I do not beleive in "naysaying interpretations of our conditon" to support politcal agendas and I am a scholar of the Fedarlist Papers and the lives of our founding fathers and believe that our government was made to function in the same way the papers making up the constitution came into being and that was by utilizing step by step compromise until all problems were hammered out to bring this form of government to its fruition. If we give up that form of compromise that was the pathway to our democratic form of government we have given up our form of government in the only way it can move forward. Compromise is that necessary, like it or not. In our system of democracy, compromise is an absolute necessity. If you are advocating otherwise, you are advocating some other form of government not possible in our system based on our constitution. You indeed may have a new invention but you can't sell me on it unless I get a look at the whole thing.

 

Victor... Do you read the newspapers? Do you not understand that the president has ordered the border patrol to stop detaining illegals who fall into very broad categories? And what is the result - floods of illegals in those categories.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/aug/23/new-obama-policy-warns-agents-not-detain-illegal-i/?page=all

 

Next up Class 5 & 6 felonies no longer merit prison time provided you have children. Those without kids will go straight to jail.

 

I have chosen to erase my opinion.

 

I am so happy I live near the Navajo Reservation where preservation of that language the Code Talkers used to save so many American lives is held as a great value to preserve and use. No one outside the community can imagine how difficult it is to position oneself against the norms of ignorant others, to engage in preserving something that is not always accepted by the masses. Luckily, many here do not accept that the only thing to do is drop your culture and "assimulate" when the things in your culture are so needed and valuable to preserve, for everyone's welfare. The Code Talkers use of their native language is an example of a cultural value that would have been lost before WWII if "assimulation" had been the goal of these natives. I am also happy to live where 20 Pueblo cultures try to do the same with their own languages and cultures and that most Hispanic people in the State of New Mexico do not see languages as some measure of "Assimilation" but realize it is quite possible to speak many languages and remain a valuable citizen. Most Hispanics born in New Mexico already speak bi-lingually and this has never detracted from the many times in war they have contributed their efforts and lives for their country. It may be necessary for some people to really "assimulate" the incredible richness and value a multi-cultured measure of what really defines America as a very large cornucopia of cultural values that makes us who we are in "Total".

 

1as·sim·i·late
verb \ə-ˈsi-mə-ˌlāt\

: to learn (something) so that it is fully understood and can be used
: to cause (a person or group) to become part of a different society, country, etc.
: to adopt the ways of another culture : to fully become part of a different society, country, etc.

Assimilation is not bad. When you go to Rome, Berlin, Tokyo....do you insist on them speaking English or do you make the attempt to make yourself understood in their language?

By God if anybody is moving to another country to live there then they need to learn the language and customs.

Nuff Said

 

I find no accuracies in your description of me but you are free to ASSUME that which you wish........but if everyone sees your accounting of me it will be quite clear why I do not choose to point by point further a discussion with someone who is prone to lean in such a direction with such free running assumptive biases.

It is furthermore insulting to me that you mention Reconquistas like the fellow at UNM that was fired and make assumptions that I believe as he believes. I have never advocated for such things as he describes. I have never made an assumption like that about you being like J.T. Ready have I? Unlike J.T. Ready in Arizona he was not embraced and added to the forces of enforcement of immigrant laws as happened in Arizona.....here in New Mexico he was fired from UNM. I love my country and all its peoples and am thankful and supportive of the Treaty of Guadelupe Hidalgo and all the treaties the U.S. continues to honor concerning the Pueblos of New Mexico that have in time served to help preserve and accept those cultures. I just want the rest of citizens in this country to be aware of that embrace of their cultures and assimilate and accept their values as that was the intent in the treaties that continue to be binding. Enough said,,,I will likewise leave this discussion.

 

Forums don't function if peeps don't talk. WW2F is a microcosm of the whole.

 

True but I appreciate that this forum's members are mature enough to realize when discussion won't change either sides minds. Then rather than begin a flame war they simply walk away.

 

Being from New Mexico, I have seen these people all my life, and I have a great respect for many that I have personally know.

I can't blame someone who is trying to get a better life. My great grandparents wanted the same thing at the turn of the 20th century.

However, it wasn't a sure thing for them to be able to enter the country.

Back then, before they hit Ellis Island, those liners stopped at Quarantine. If.......my grandmother cried her eyes red and dry from a horrible crossing, she could have been mistaken to have tracoma and be sent back on the next Hamburg-American liner.

I am concerned that with this new influx of immigrants compounded with today's political climate that a pandemic of some sort is on its way.

At this point in my life, I feel bad that my ancestors centuries ago brought disease and death to this continent. But I had nothing to do with it, and wish to prevent that from happening again...to anyone.

 

Just pondering. There is a lot of info, some just doesn't make sense to me.

-Does the US government give money to the locations/departments/communities where the influx is occurring?

-Was this planned- shouldn't there have been some kind of vote or referendum asking the communities/agencies for input regarding their ability to process/house/care for influx ?

-Canada (from what have gathered), wants to allow up to 265 thousand new immigrants in 2014. Guessing previous years, the numbers are similar...Looking at Europe, it seems they are pretty much saturated with immigrants. See what is happening in Paris France today. July 14/2014.

-Wonder if the UN pulled Obama aside and said "Time to take some of these immigrants. Everybody else is pulling up the slack.".

-Also wonder why we are expected to be the good guys. We don't move yonder to start a new life, people are welcomed here. Maybe the countries where immigrants come from should change how they operate. Become countries their citizens want to live in. We fought wars to build the country we wanted. Maybe foreigners should clean up their own countries and stop burdening the ones whose citizens fight / work hard to build their own.

-Would like to hear what Francis has to say about this (love that guy).

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