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  1. Hufflepuff

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    Another General fighting for competition for this title (sadly) is Tojo. He completely destroyed Japan's economy, military, and compatibility with the world for 'the Emperor,' someone who had practically NO political power. He should have surrendered earlier, like Mussolini, and saved a few million lives.

    The same can be said, of Hitler, except in his case he was head of state, not a person who was below someone like an Emperor, like Tojo.
     
  2. wtid45

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    Stilwell was equally harsh with Merrill's Marauders,and under his direction they ceased to exist as a fighting force.If anything the AMERICANS hated him more than the British,and at least one officer in the Marauders expressed the hope that an oppurtunity would arise which would enable him to SHOOT STILWELL during a visit forward
     
  3. Mortman2004

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    Gotta love the 5307th Composite group... AKA MERRILLS MAURAUDERS lol....
     
  4. wtid45

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    The british sat on their duffs did they sorry if they were slightly busy elsewhere in the world:rolleyes:.The 14th army under the greatest general of the war bill slim DEFEATED the japanese at kohima and imphal in their largest SINGLE DEFEAT ON LAND IN THE SECOND WORLD WAR and this led to their complete destruction in burma following slims decisive victories at mandalay(my dad was their by the way and fort duffrein and at changi shortly after its liberation dont think he was at any stage sat on his DUFF) and meiktila and the dramatiic capture of rangoon by august 1945.
     
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    Mortman2004 Dishonorably Discharged

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    See these "WHATS YOUR OPINION" always turn into flame fests... or personal... They dont like Your OPINION then your a dumbass who doesnt know history... No i dont know much about history.. IVE MADE IT lol... And i dont like monty PERIOD lol.... (JUST KIDDING ON THE MAKING HISTORY PART FYI)
     
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    Another hit to Goering would be that he advised Hitler to stop before Dunkirk and the Luftwaffe could "prevent any escape". That worked pretty well for him...
     
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    Hmm..."busy elsewhere"? Yes, they were finally dragged kicking and screaming into an invasion of the European mainland, so yeah the British were busy elsewhere by June of 1944. But certainly not for the preceding year and a half. The fact remains that Kohima and Imphal were DEFENSIVE battles forced on the British by a Japanese offensive. General Slim may have been the "greatest general of the war" (although that's hard to say with a straight face), but the Japanese at Kohima and Imphal failed, not because they were out-fought, but because they simply ran out of supplies. As for their greatest defeat on land in WW II, it certainly wasn't Kohima or Imphal or both together. That accolade goes to either Okinawa or the Soviet offensive in Manchuria. By the time the British decided it was in their interests to finally do something about Burma, the Japanese had shot their bolt.

    "Decisive victory at Mandalay....Mektila, ...dramatic capture of Rangoon by August, 1945?" Correct me if I'm wrong, but all that took place AFTERStilwell defeated the Japanese in northern Burma, and AFTER IGHQ in Tokyo made it known the Japanese in Burma were on their own and could expect no reinforcements. In fact, the first serious British offensive in southeast Asia wasn't launched until January, 1945, AFTER the Japanese had been all but defeated everywhere else, their navy and air force no longer existed, their inner lines of defense had been breached, and their empire was crumbling. Maybe you don't realize it, but Japan surrendered in August, 1945; The "decisive" British victories in Burma were a tad late, like two years.

    The fact that the British got thrown out of Burma by May, 1942, and then sat on their backsides on the Indian border until January, 1945, despite the efforts of the US JCS to get them to launch offensives against the Japanese does not reflect on your father unless he was on the British theater commander's staff. The British simply saw no point in fighting in southeast Asia to help the Chinese or Americans in the Pacific.
     
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    Claire Lee Chennault was anouther person that Stillwell did not get along with and at the end of the war Chennault had him relived of command, which is rather unusal at the end of WWII.
     
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    Seems that your one of those people that thinks the americans won the war all by themselves newsflash i know damn well when the japenese surrendered today is VJ DAY after all.AND YOUR COUNTRY WAS NOT ONE OF THOSE BOMBED OR OCCUPIED UNLIKE BRITAIN FRANCE POLAND ETC yeah pearl harbour you say dec 1941, 3rd sep 1939 remember that date as for slim read your history then tell me he was not the greatest general.A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF YOUR GREAT VINEGAR JOE IS THIS 26 JUNE 1944 CALVERTS 77TH BRIGADE CAPTURE MOGAUNG,Calvert heard on the BBC that the american and chinese had captured Mogaung.He sent a message to Force HQ,copied to Stilwell saying the 'Americans have captured Mogaung, 77th brigade is proceeding to take UMBRAGE.' Stilwell's son who was his intelligence:rolleyes: officer,said,'They've taken a village called UM-BRA-GAY which we can't find on the map.' And who was the only british commander stilwell would serve under you got it good old uncle bill.
     
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    OK OK boys Ill admit it I was a worse general then vinegar joe... I sat on my arse drinking beer and playing my x box and i was messin with chaings old lady on the side....
     
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    HE HE you must of been with all those brit troops who were sat in their ass doing nothing for 3 years:rolleyes: well so DA THINKS nothing apart from fighting back from defeat in hong kong in 41 singapore in 42 bed ridden brits and aussies being bayonated by nasty little japenese SOB.not forgetting the longeast retreat in the british armys history but did they sit in their backsides did they feck feb 43 wingates chindits lrp start the fight back then slim takes command 14th army oh and the brits had some help and it wasn't from errol bloody flynn either indians, africans, aussies, canadians and gurkhas hope i never forgot anyone:eek: and what did this forgotten army do they kicked those sorry sons of nippon all the way back the way they had come and then some just one more thing my dad said the best flyers in burma were yanks who flew through spaces that were not there to supply the brit troops FIGHTING IN THE STINKING JUNGLE, in two days time my DAD R.I.P. has been dead FIVE YEARS I WILL NOT LET IGNORANCE:mad: TARNISH HIS MEMORY OR THOSE FORGOTTEN MEN WHO FOUGHT AND DIED IN BURMA INDIA OR THOSE IN CHINA!
     
  12. Tinpot warrior

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    In regards to Monty, he always attempted to fight chess battles. He would wait until he had stockplied superior quantites of artillery, armour and air power before commiting to offensive action. His 'style' if you call it was not hugely ambitious but in most case the objectives were eventually achieved. Like most other Allied commanders, he was night as direct as German field commanders. But you have to bear in mind the allied view compared to say the German one. Massive losses were not considered exceptable in the Allied command or media. Germany once it became more on the defensive did not have such qualms about its losses in men.
     
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    Edit - the man was extremely arrogant and overconfident in his own ability.
     
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    I'm afraid you've got your facts wrong; Chennault and Stilwell didn't like each other, mostly because they were competing for resources in China and Chennault made some very stupid promises to Chiang which he could not keep. But Chennault did not have Stilwell relieved, Stilwell outranked him. At the end of the war Stilwell was in command of the 1oth. Army and continued until well after the war. He al;so served on a number of important commands having to do with Army re-equipment and weapons testing. Stilwell continued to be highly regarded by the JCS until he retired.
     
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    No, I've never suggested the Americans won WW II by themselves, but they certainly won the Pacific War with far more help from the Australians and Dutch than they ever got from the British.

    You keep going on about all the stuff the British did in southeast Asia, but tell me this; is it true, or not, that from May, 1942, when they were kicked out of Burma, the British remained in defensive positions behind the Indian border until January 29, 1945? If it's not, cite the specific offensives launched and the results gained. Otherwise, it's just hot air. And BTW, Wingate's Chindits don't count as an offensive, they were simply acting as guerrillas behind the lines, and accomplished next to nothing, while losing at least of third of their number.

    As for Slim, I have read history and Slim's isn't impressive. In fact, none of the British generals in southeast Asia really did vert well against the Japanese, at least not until the war was almost over. if you disagree, cite what the accomplishments were with factual data, not your opinions, or those of some British propagandists.
     
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    My, My, such an emotional outburst! Unfortunately, I prefer to rely on factual data. Yes, the British were very badly used by the Japanese who pretty much had their way with them in Malaya, Singapore, and Burma, mostly due to exceedingly poor British generalship. The fact remains that the Brits didn't do any "fighting back" until January, 1945. Unless you count Kohima and Imphal which were defensive battles forced on the British by the Japanese. BTW, check a map; Kohima and Impahal were behind the Indian border in 1944.

    My contention stands; the British did little or nothing to fight the Japanese in Burma between May, 1942 and January, 1945. The CBI was a "forgotten" theater because the British high command wanted it tat way.
     
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    I really dont think it matters what i say about the british in burma and india you seem to have decided to have formed an unmovable opinion about it but i know that between 42-45 british and the other nations i already quoted were dying fighting the japanese you dont do that sat on your arse. Wingate and the chindits did nothing eh slim was not impressive:rolleyes: and the aussies in NG AND USMC USN US ARMY WON THE PACIFIC WAR WITH SOME HELP FROM THE DUTCH. i dont argue that point but how much did stilwell's american forces contribute to the defeat of the japanese in burma AND WAS STILWELL ALL THAT NO HE WASN'T!his own men hated the SOB and that is a quote.you either hate the brits or are related in some way to stilwell as for emotional yeah maybe i am but then i feel touched by burma through my dad and for that i make no apology.
     
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    Man you are one arrogant arsehole.

    I hope the fallen of Kohima find you when you die.
     
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    Devil its dudes like you who make americans look bad.. the man is entitled to his opinion.. SO SHUT UP and let it be... I cant stand monty.. THATS my opinion...it maybe right it maybe wrong but its all mine...AND HELL YES HES GONNA BE EMOTIONAL about something important his father did...
     
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    Hitler and goring the two stupidest leaders ever heard of, now Rommel hands down was the best general in WWII, and i know saying that is get some people started because just because he was an axis force you are wishing i said Patton or Eisenhower but, if you ask me to prove that you are just admitting that you don't know anything about history, hey this thread is based on opinions right?
     

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