WW3: China V US?

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The Whitehouse responded that China has a right to defend itself.

 

Sounds more like manufacturing an excuse to invade Taiwan. But that's just me...

 

Definately China being China Gordon.

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Was that pun deliberate?

 

Agreed that China is a country we don't want war with...but they also don't want war with us. The US economy is on well on the way to being owned by the Chinese...they don't want to upset that course. If war was to break out...exports stop...all around the world. Nobody is going to deal with China. We still field the most technologically advanced military machine in the history of man kind...learning curve or not, China cannot compete with that. Over a million soldiers they may have, but once they lose their holdings in the American economy, they lose their influence in the world. It would be a devastating war, most likely ending in a nuclear way...all the Chinese want is to get rich, just like the US wants to stay that way. Nobody is going to war.

 

Insightful.
Im not sure China will "own" the US economy (who wants to take on a basket case??) just jokes....just jokes people!! But they DO want to control it...have the collective scrotum in the hand as it were...Where this gets tricky of course is repayment...they say friends should never lend money...it will end in tears...China sees the US as a continuing cash cow...if the US defaults, the crap WILL hit the fan. It also must be remembered, and Luke eluded to this, is that the US is the LEADER in "force multiplyers" (no not bought at a handy man shop/store, just my bad spelling). Im sure there are people more knowledgable on force multiplyers but put simply, the thinking is how many troops (people) or enemy can just 1 of our troops take out? A rifleman, 1 person, a machine gunner 60-70? an artillery peice a few hundred, maybe a thousand? A nuclear weapon hundreds of thousands or millions...The US realised early on that it couldnt deploy nuclear weapons in a conventional war, so (first experimented with "strategic" nuclear weapons) then set about creating new "acceptable force multiplyers"...what am i saying?? That the US has had Chinas massive army (and Russias) in the collective mind for decades...it already knows it cant take on a cHina man to man...it needs techs that can multply the killing power of each soldier, so one of ours can take out ten of theirs before succumbing/death...this evens things up...especially if they work. Pretty tough job when you take out chemical and biological weapons aswell...i dips me lid to the US for their hard work and creative thinking.

 

Depeds on how much the USA will allow China to expand. Trade routes etc...trade...and a bit more influence on errr...trade...is what the USA has been about for a long time. Its why the British empire..not the only reason but a major reason ended in the abrupt fashion that it did. China will not be allowed an empire of trade as a default of anyone else. Granted this may not be a ship to ship salvo. There are ways and means...a cold war perhaps..one that most don't even seem to know they are involved in...Certainly we are in one.

 

Large population numbers wouldn't really matter, it might even be a handicap as they need to eat and China will need more food and expose more farm land to nuclear attacks.

In my opinion there wouldn't be many close combat battles, not even with tanks etc.. The average survivng time in such events for infantry would be a few minutes/hours , depending how long it would take for nuclear bomb to hit the area around them.
The Nuclear shield ? Yeah right. It's only a matter of time until the effects of a bomb that fell on a neigbour hits a "protected" country . Technology may stop bombs, it will not stop radiations. In the end there would be no winner and we would be lukcy if a bit of the planet would be spared.

Therefore I also believe it would more concievable to imagine a cold war or an economic war with "minor" military invasions of influence spheres. (China invading Taiwan, Vietnam, Laos etc.. and the U.S. possibly getting closer to China via the West, by invading Iran for instance) .
Every move would be daring and getting our way of life closer to utter chaos.
Just my 2 cents, but I really hope this will never happen as there would be no winner

 

Indeed it would be a war that China would have a hard time "winning". If it didn't go nuclear they could probably achieve some local successes but when the US nationalized the Chinese held bonds and siezed all the other Chinese assets in the US or under US control the losses would probably be more than the benefits. Might actually be a war where the US emerged with considerably less debt than when it went in. Again as long as it doesn't go nuclear the rest of the world would tend to gain as well with their industry picking up where China's is cut off and/or acting as intermediaries. Of course if it went nuclear then everyone looses more the question would be just how much.

 

I think the Chinese might opt for a cyber war, if push came to shove. With the amount of internet reliance placed on modern economies, they might be able to bring America to its knees without actually firing a shot.
I seem to remember a couple of worldwide cyber attacks in the last few years that got blamed on the Chinese, and during the Beijing Olympics every online message board for the BBC etc were swamped by irate Chinese complaining about every "insult", real or imagined. Rumour had it at the time that every Chinese embassy worldwide had special teams doing nothing else but full-time message posting on these forums.
And no, I haven't been watching Die Hard 4.0

 

They sure have have more poulation potential avalaible to train for such cyber attacks than any other Western country.

 

That may be in part why the US has stated that it will consider responding to cyper attacks with conventional weapons. Again if the US thought it was under such an attack it could simply sieze Chinese assets in the US and zero out the value of all Chinese held US bonds. There are also indications that the Chinese computer systems may be even more vulnerable than their US counterparts.

 

What about China using proxies to fight the US? Pakistan and Iran are top candidates to cause problems with us. Even make use of the narco-terrorsts in Mexico to make things interesting.

Another scenario; N Korea or Iran nukes NYC. Besides a nuclear response on them, would Russia and China lose a city just because they are allied with them and had every opportunity to prevent them from getting nukes?

 

NK or Iran will never have the quantities required to get through America's ABM defense system to take out a American city. Also, were Russia or China punished for every other proxy war they participated in?

 

Very logical. And with CAC's comments regarding humble pie and the U.S. having to learn that we can't have it all our way anymore I would concur that China does not want war with the west. Taiwan, however, different story. I think they want enough of a deterrent there that we have to let Taiwan sink or swim (w/o Ngo Dinh Diem, historical joke). The other frightening prospect is that PRC still has a score to settle over Manchuria, Nanking etc! That was some extremely nasty business there.

 

What ABM system?

 

I wouldn´t trust them but they aren´t dumb. So where is more to get in a war or by buying the most of the industry a country has and to dictate the prices and others. A war won´t be neccessary.

 

I hate it when that happens. They killed my industry ten years ago.....it is rough.

 

Thats the way they will do it. At first it costs a bit of money, but it brings the money back and as a gratification the power over the industry of a other country and those are cheap made victories without one single drop of blood.

 

Hell of a long-term strategy though?