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WWII, V-E Day: The War in Numbers versus The War of Numbers

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  1. bronk7

    bronk7 Well-Known Member

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    .....with more military, that might've meant battles won faster = less casualities ...?.......and a critical point: much more logistics and airpower available
    ...with more troops--and especially critical ---aircraft at Market Garden = no Battle of the Bulge which had huge casualties =war over sooner ....
    ..and more landing craft for N Africa, Med and DDay/etc
    more troops/logistics for Anzio = no stalemate = Rome taken faster
    ..less production of Naval ships needed so more of landing craft/cargo ships produced
    ....etc
     
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    I didn't think of it from that POV, but definitely from the more men/ more materiel/ more engagements with Germany POV.
     
  3. Arusha

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    I've read peak Soviet Armed Forces active strength was 12.8 million on one front. USA total armed forces peak (Army, Army AF, Navy, Marines) 12.2 million in two theaters. Hitler chose to fight his ideological battle on the Eastern front. If the USA wasn't engaged in the Pacific, the deployment and combat losses by the US military would have been higher in Europe as there would have been more engagements.

    Misconception, this number stands for the total strength of the Soviet Armed Forces. This post shows the numbers. Though, the post is to raise more controversies, of sorts. RETHINKING THE UNTHINKABLE OR BLITZKRIEG ACCORDING TO CHURCHILL
     
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  4. Arusha

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    Misconception, this number Soviet Armed Forces active strength was 12.8 million on one front. stands for the total strength of the Soviet Armed Forces. Throughout WWII large contingents were deployed to the Turkish borders in the Caucasus, in the Far East against the Japanese troops in China, Iran and elswhere. The strength of the Soviet Armies in the Soviet - German front would vary from 4 to 6 million men, on average.
    This post also shows the numbers for the last months of fighting in Europe, in 1945. Though, the post is to raise more controversies, of sorts. RETHINKING THE UNTHINKABLE OR BLITZKRIEG ACCORDING TO CHURCHILL
     
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    more troops/more logistics = shorter battles-shorter war
    ..the Allies were greatly slowed down and even stopped by not enough logistics
    --example: Operation Market Garden where Monty got a LOT of logistics--thereby stopping/slowing other areas
    ..a lot of people do not realize logistics is a huge aspect of battles
    ..in the Pacific, a lot of the battles were over ''quickly''..the bigger/big problem was transferring troops and supplies over water and great distances.....and allocating very minimal troop strength for battles
    ..as stated, Anzio is a perfect example--not only of the troop strength needed for Anzio/Med, but also when they took shipping away from Anzio and the Med
    bold mine
    HyperWar: American Forces in Action: Anzio Beachhead: The Breakthrough

    The unloved, unlovely, yet indispensable LST
    caps and bold for emphasis only--no crankiness there
    hahahhahahah
     
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  6. Arusha

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    Good story. I like it; in the final analysis, LSTs deserved to be loved. Good job.
     
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  7. Arusha

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    I like it; good description. And in the end, good job done,
     
  8. Arusha

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    I sense there might be a kind misunderstanding about "communism" per se, as referenced above. Sometimes, it takes time to formulate a response; however, it is better late than never. I do have one, although someone else has made it writing and my input is limited to translation, only. I am being serious about every word it contains. This thing is miles away from WWII discussions; my apologies for that, if anything, there has been a call made. There is nothing new under the sun, what has been will be again: Lenin’s New Family Policies
     
  9. Arusha

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    History of Military and Transport Aviation: A piece of Soviet-era curiosity. An experimental Soviet multi-role giant aircraft from the Kalinin Kharkov Design Bureau. It was developed in the early 1930s using original design solutions, new technologies and materials.
    In 1933, the first model successfully passed its flight tests; however, due to the discovered design flaws resulting in the crash of the first manufactured aircraft, all tests were aborted. In 1935, due to changes in the Soviet concept of aircraft construction process, the construction of two new aircraft units was suspended, and then all efforts to further develop the K-7 aircraft model were abandoned.
    [​IMG]

    Kalinin K-7 - Wikipedia

    Photos:

    https://yandex.ru/images/search?text=k-7%20фото&stype=image&lr=51&source=wiz
     
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  10. Takao

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    Unfortunately, the photo is an obvious CGI fake...Not sure why you posted it. The actual Ka-7 was much smaller.

    Also has absolutely zero to do with the thread topic.

    Not to mention, the German Do-X, flown 5 years earlier, was both longer and heavier.
     
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    Among other things it has an American battleship turret on top and another one hanging upside-down underneath ;)
     
  12. Arusha

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    Gents,
    I am in no mood of entering into arguments about which hand is "left hand" and which is "right hand." Takes a little or no effort at all to click the links attached to see the contents and the pictures taken at the time. There are more details available from other source as well, just takes a little effort to investigate. I thought someone else might be interested; My apologies for causing nervous response. The list of references includes an American newspaper reporting the events as late as 1933; will take another click to see it.

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    Concerning the thread topic: it was the first step towards the development of Pe-8 (or TB-7 bomber) used to bomb Berlin in August 1941. Please see another link below. TB-7 was used to fly the delegation (headed by Molotov) from Moscow to the United States in 1942; they flew across the occupied Europe landing in Britain, and then to the US and then back home.

    TB-7, Pe-8 (ANT-42) Heavy bomber
    Petlyakov Pe-8 - Wikipedia


    Specifications (K-7)
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    A detailed scale model of the K-7
    Data from Istoriya konstruktskii samoletov v SSSR do 1938 g. (3 izd.)[1][page needed], The Osprey Encyclopedia of Russian Aircraft 1875-1995[7]


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    Crashed on 21 November 1933.

    General characteristics


    • Crew: 11 (2 pilots, navigator/bombardier, radio operator/gunner (nose 20mm cannon), flight engineer, 4x gunners (twin DA machine-guns in four gondola positions), 2x gunners (20 mm cannon in tail boom tips)
    • Capacity: (120 passengers / 7,000 kg (15,432 lb) cargo, in civilian configuration)
    • Length: 28 m (91 ft 10 in)
    • Wingspan: 53 m (173 ft 11 in)
    • Height: 12.4 m (40 ft 8 in) (estimated to top of engine nacelle)
    • Wing area: 454 m2 (4,890 sq ft)
    • Aspect ratio: 6.2
    • Airfoil: root: TsAGI R-II (22%) ; tip: TsAGI R-II (19%)[8]
    • Empty weight: 24,400 kg (53,793 lb)
    • Gross weight: 38,000 kg (83,776 lb) normal
    42,400 kg (93,500 lb) maximum bombload
    • Max takeoff weight: 46,500 kg (102,515 lb)
    • Fuel capacity: 9,130 l (2,410 US gal; 2,010 imp gal) in wing tanks
    • Powerplant: 7 × Mikulin AM-34F V-12 liquid-cooled piston engines, 560 kW (750 hp) each
    • Propellers: 2-bladed fixed-pitch propellers
    Performance
    • Maximum speed: 225 km/h (140 mph, 121 kn)
    • Cruise speed: 180 km/h (110 mph, 97 kn)
    • Range: 1,600 km (990 mi, 860 nmi)
    • Service ceiling: 4,000 m (13,000 ft)
    • Wing loading: 84 kg/m2 (17 lb/sq ft)
    • Power/mass: 103 kW/kg (63 hp/lb)
    Armament

    • Guns:
    • 3x 20 mm (0.79 in) cannon (at least)
    • 8x 7.62 mm (0.30 in) machine guns (at least)
    • Bombs: maximum 19,000 kg (42,000 lb) of bombs
    Where it boils down to the language I can hear being used in this discussion, that sounds familiar to me, "CLOSE YOUR MOUTH AND KEEP IT SHUT UNTIL YOU ARE ASKED TO OPEN IT." This one had been the language the bolshies/commies used for 70 odd years in my country..... Hope some other people will find something they might be interested in, about the History of Aviation from the Post.
    My apologies, if anything; hope I said nothing wrong.....
     
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  13. Arusha

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    This is a link to a series of documentaries covering Soviet Russia's armor development since mid 20s through 1945. Propaganda pings - 0; loaded with then current and contemporary footage inclusive of cover and follow up stories. Just tanks only. One will need someone with the Russian language skills. Looks story-telling. "A THEORY OF MISCONCEPTIONS ABOUT THE ARMOR".
     
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    Arctic War Story: This is a unique story. When it did happen - then in Berlin and Helsinki, as well as in other capitals of the world, those who were still capable of thinking, they knew how this Great War would end for those who started it. This is the only front where they could not cross the state border of the USSR in a small but vital area. ALL QUIET ON THE NORTHERN FRONT
     

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