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The Sharp End of an Artillery Barrage - Shrieking Shell Fragments Video

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  1. Otto

    Otto GröFaZ Staff Member WW2|ORG Editor

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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUvcdKGD-FM

    From DefenceForcesFinland. This is a very interesting video of a Finnish modern era artillery strike. The interesting part is they have several cameras set up in the target zone, each with good (and apparently very durable) sound equipment. The sound of the angry shell fragmentsl whizzing by is ominous. Looks to be a single time-on-target strike from a battery of about 5 guns. High quality video with high quality sound here, so try it with headphones and full screen for a tiny, terrifying insight into what infantry experience while on the receiving end of such treatment.
     
  2. TD-Tommy776

    TD-Tommy776 Man of Constant Sorrow

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    Now that's something that might make one moisten their fatigues! Now I have a better idea of why artillery is so intimidating. I've heard 155s and 8-inch Howitzers fired before, but have thankfully never been on the business end.
     
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    GRW Pillboxologist WW2|ORG Editor

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    Rather them than me-
    "Dramatic video has been released to demonstrate the power of an artillery barrage - with cameras placed just yards away from targets.
    The Finnish Army filmed its troops blasting artillery cannons into the remote countryside in Rovajärvi, Lapland.
    Cameras tucked away in bunkers capture the moment a wave of shells hit home, obliterating their targets in a cloud of smoke."
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3674748/Experience-like-hit-artillery-barrage-Finnish-military-place-cameras-targets-happens-shells-explode-you.html
     
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  4. Ron Goldstein

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    Writing as someone who has faced enemy barrages in both Sicily and Italy can I just add that quite apart from the obvious ear shattering noise and the showers of debris that followed every shell, there was an immediate sense of the breath being sucked out of one's body.

    Even worse was being subjected to mortar fire, simply because one immediately realised that those responsible for producing the fire power were literally "just around the corner" :(

    Ron
     
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    I can only imagine, Ron.
     
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    Dad reckoned that advancing as close to your own shells as possible, in a creeping barrage and then your own shells falling short, was a far worse experience!!! As was said,"I can only imagine". Amen to that!!!
     
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    Otto GröFaZ Staff Member WW2|ORG Editor

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    I actually found this video a few years back on the official Fininish military and posted it here on the Forums. I'm much more pleased with the results here, as we now have insight into the experience from someone who lived through it.
     
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    Here is a video made with my old regiment as extras. The Battery Commander and FOO were both from 38 battery RA
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hrubDDcygb4

    In July 1980 we sat in tanks while they brought 105mm fire within 30m. Some of them landed behind and one 105mm HE hit a tank. No one was injured but much outside the tanks were shredded. Vision blocks cracked and aerials broken.
     
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    Otto GröFaZ Staff Member WW2|ORG Editor

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    "Three PT-76s engaged by Sheldrake"

    The origin of a username and some interesting background on post WW2 artillery ops.
     
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    Yup. Sheldrake just means "gunner" without specifying or appointment

    Listening again I think it might be 4RTR Battle group, hence the Scots accents on the battlegroup net. The film was made because 35 years after the end of WW2 the British Army had forgotten about the "effects of artillery fire".....

    The holes in the FV 432 APC were made by detonating a 155mm L15 round suspended 10m away and above the vehicle. This was a modern HE round and much more effective than WW2 ropunds of the same calibre,

    Much of what we trained to do in the event of WW3 sounds daft in retrospect. 72 x 105mm HE rounds f (3 rounds FFE from 40 Field Regiment Regiment of 24 Abbot guns) probably wasn't going to do much to three PT76s or a column of T62s or BMPs. But sooner or later the battle has to be won on foot.
     
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    I doubt you're hearing the "sound of the angry shrapnel whizzing by". :salute:

    That's the sound of fragments whizzing by. :cool:

    I'm surprised you didn't catch that Sheldrake. :)
     
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    Too busy dwelling on old comrades on the bottlefields of the cold War. The only shrapnel was the change from a DM5 note ...
     
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    Otto GröFaZ Staff Member WW2|ORG Editor

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    I just did a very informative google search for "shrapnel vs shell fragment". I've become a victim of the generic usage of the shrapnel term. I should have known better, by own brother was an artillery gunner in the Canadian army.

    I've corrected the thread title and my usage in the first post.
     
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    At first I thought that was a typo... :)
     
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    It depends on the war. I spend a lot of time discussing the First World War when the British (and Canadians) became expert in using the strengths of shrapnel, as opposed to airburst HE to provide covering fire for the Infantry. I wrote a piece about shrapnel on 1st July 1916 here http://www.theobservationpost.com/blog/?p=1598

    The Germans never really understood the creeping barrage. I have just been reading Panzers in Normandy: General Hans Eberbach and the German Defense of France, 1944, based on Eberbach's debrief. He describes how the British and Canadian infantry advanced behind a bombardment of "glass rounds" - "scheingrenaten" that make a noise but have no effect and quotes a report by Hamal from II SS Corps. They simply did not get it. The RA and RCA fired barrages of 25 pdr HE rounds about 100m in front of the advancing infantry, and battle wise infantry would push forwards until they were taking casualties themselves.
     

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