Attitudes toward the Japanese?

The only thing I'd like to add is that Fred Korematsu's ,Minoru Yasui's ,and Gordon Hirabayasi's convictions were overturned in the early 1980's basically because of government misconduct.

 

The cases were superficial since they amounted only to throwing out the wartime convictions but not the Supreme Court decisions upholding the government wartime actions under which the original arrests were made. The Supreme Court rulings are all good law to this day.

As for "government misconduct" attorneys for Korematsu submitted evidence in court under false pretense.

 

The Japanease were fanatics; they treated (or at least used to) their Emperor like a God, they would comfortably die in blood and honor for him, they were savages; paticulary to the Chinese- they did terrible things and their camps i would say, were worst that the Nazi ones.

Apparantly the word "Jap" is racist, i thought it was an abbreivation and i recently got told off by a fellow forum member; any confirmation on why it is considered racist?

 

This is coming from a Japanese person so I'd hope that you'd take this into serious consideration.

About your "question" about the term "Jap"...first of all take into account that regardless of what your personal views are on the term, this is a multi-national forum inhabited by members from different countries. "Jap" may be just a shortened abbreviation for you but generally speaking, the term is focused more on the intent and meaning rather than the word itself, like all racial slurs. Even if you think that this argument can't be backed, you should still be polite and considerate to all the members here because by failing to do so, you disrespect a lot of people. Its heavy connotation with racism should be obvious to you especially with your interest in WWII so it should seem that no confirmation is needed.

 

I completely support what Karma is saying.... The use of the word in question is offensive and disrespectful.

Karma - ganbatte !

Duckbill

 

Very interesting stuff there.
Thanks for posting that.

 

Just what false pretense? The fact the US government suppressed alot of evidence during Korematsu versus US ? Or that various govenrment documents proved racism on the part of US officials at the time? I wouldn't say the wartime decisions are good law today remember all those decisions predate quite a few post war civil rights decisions. For one thing at the time(the 1940's) there was no actual Equal Protection Clause that applied to ther Federal government such as the 14th amendment's Equal Protection Clause does to the states however in the the 1954 Boling versus Sharpe decision the US Supreme Court stated that the Due Process Clause of the 5th Amendment equates the same as an Equal Protection Clause on the Federal Government.

I say the US government officials didn't appeal the setting aside of the wartime convictions because they knew they would loose. Furthermore it was evidence gathered during a Congressional Commission Hearing that provided the 1980's litigants with said evidence ,evidence that proved government misconduct and outright racism. It wasn't just victim testimony but documents from the time period.

 

I salute you, Sir.

Forgive me everybody i am terribly sorry if i appeared racist; for a genuinely did not know it was a racial slur.

Also about the word "savages" i was merely applying in past tense to what happened in the wartime, if that caused any offense i offer my sincerest apologies for that also.

Will.

 

I apologise, Its just someone on this forum told me it was racist (Which i was unaware of) and i wanted to know why, for all i knew it was an abbrievation not a racial slur; but now you have told me and once again i offer my apologies.

Will

 

The problem with any nickname or abreviated name is in perception and intent. When this has come up on other boards it has been mentioned that some Japanese do not consider either of the three letter abreviations derogatry and even use them themselves while others as pointed out do. Some of those who use the terms also mean no disrespect, indeed I've heard some use it in a very positive way, while others clearly do. It is vary comparable in this sence to the "N" word which while more widely acknowedged as negative sees it's use even among, perhaps especially among, the group so described.. Best just to avoid the whole can of worms especially since the term is "overloaded" (it's used as an acronym in some areas for Jewish American Princess for instance).

On the otherhand while saying the actions of the Japanese vs the Chinese in particular were "savage" is derogatory but fully justified IMO.

 

Yeah precisely, I was referring to their actions 65 years ago; i wasn't being racist at all and ive apologised and people still seem to be jumping down my throat :/

 

Well sorrey.

I was just saying what i intended it to be about, all i wanted was to know was why it was racist thats all.

And i didnt mean to be racist because i was talking about anybody, like you said i was describing their actions as savage, experimenting on people, turning people inside out and sewing twins together; i dont know about you but those actions seem pretty savage to me.

Also, i meant to chinese were the most affected afterall the war started a few years before WW2.

I dont mean it to be racist in anyway at all, ive apologised several times already.

It was merely curiousity, as ive never really heard it being racist before; but i guess Americans think likewise, fair enough i suppose.

 

Alright alright! I know!

Ive been told at least ten times in this thread, ive apologised even though i didnt mean it as offense i meant "Jap" as an example in question and "Savages" to descrive their actions they did at the time. Whats wrong with that?

I know your admin, but you, yourself is continuing the arguement even though we've pretty much closed it.

Now id recommend you lock the thread, to stop any further arguements.

Regards,

Will.

 

Actually it is in both cases. It may be more justifyable in the latter than in the former but that's another matter.

 

Yeah, buddy weve moved on from that.

 

I don't really have any positive thoughts toward the Japanese...........Unless any good stories like treating people with any respect witch i seriously doubt they had plenty of good Generals that did not allow the behavior but other than that i got nothing.........