Bring in gun control. Please!

See IMHO that's not right, force them to leave but shooting them for running away? That's a bit like murder to me.

But we have very different views on this kind of thing so agreeing to disagree is probably the way to go.

 

Over here the law will chew you if you shoot a criminal outside the house, but if he crosses the door or a window then you can even make salad of him. Different places, different laws.

I have a friend who used to live in a high rise in a 'difficult' area, one of those towers among wide green, wooded areas in betwee, another experiment in sociology that was very bad indeed. There used to be a lot of car burgling and/or plain vandalism. For a time he used to stay by a window with no lights on and a compressed air rifle. Burglings ceased. Quite illegal, but effective

 

Actually Za, only if he enters your room. If he's in any other part of the house, the door will chew you!



Cheers...

 

Not really, the law in most counties is the same, you are allowed to use 'reasonable force' to defend yourself, family and property, the difference is how your society interprets what is 'reasonable'.

 

I think that the idea "of genuine fear of death or serious bodily harm" is a good basis for the defense of one's home and family. But shooting someone running away or leaving does not fit that.

 

There are situations where it might. For example, if someone threatens you at close range with a scoped, high-powered rifle, while you have only a pistol. The perpetrator's running away would not necessarily decrease the danger to you.

 

And the odds of that ever happening? If a person is still armed and running away? Perhaps. Like I said its the "GENUINE FEAR " that determines whether or not. For example IMO the situation where the burglar was shot in the back was not one of those times nor fit that criteria. When the burglars were running away they were not an obvious threat of harm to him.

 

In American culture, most people feel that persons engaged in the commission of a serious felony have voluntarily diminished their right to the protection from violence that society usually grants to people in general. A prosecutor might bring a charge of murder (or at least manslaughter), against a homeowner in the circumstances described by Lias Co-Pilot, but would have little or no chance of conviction.

A Grand Jury is usually a creature of the prosecutor and I find it interesting that, despite the evidence, this particular Grand Jury refused to indict. The prosecutor could still charge the homeowner with a crime, if he wishes, but probably realizes that, if a Grand Jury refuses to find against the homeowner, no trial jury could ever be convinced to convict the man. It's a case where the jury is determining that the law, as constituted, works an injustice against the person defending his life or property.

 

In fact, it has happened. I remember just such a case which was discussed in law school. The case in point, however, does not provide enough detail to make a determination as to whether the homeowner might have felt a genuine fear for his life. And, as a general rule, most juries would not expect a person's fear for his life to cease immediately upon the felons retreating; most juries make some allowance for such fear to diminish gradually, despite what the law says.

 

Sir,of cause you seen this happened , you live in America!
That is Amercan way of life is-Guns and more Guns and more Guns,i'm no way dissing on you're country,i just expect every one see's this kind of stuff happening in America,in Austrailia it shocks people when things like this happens.

Anyways there a court case about a burgalar robbing a house or a bussiness i can't remember.While he was jumping from the window,he broke his leg.He sued the owner for damages.It proofs the the inercent get treated liekcrap and the burgalars are treated like royals.

 

This happened in Harris County (Houston). Harris County Texas sends more criminals to death row than all U.S. States combined (except Texas-but we're talking about Texas). I once explained to a yankee that the reason Houston sends so many to death row is that Houstonians are absolutely sick and tired of going to look for their car and finding nothing but a pile of smashed glass, finding their front door kicked in-with everything expensive missing and/or attending a funeral for someone far too early called home to the Lord.

From 1989 to 1997, the loal Fox affiliate had a half hour news segment called "City Under Siege". Every night the segment focused on local crime. KRIV still has very close ties to the local LE community and their blog board is overwhelmingly "Hang em High".

Houston takes it's religion seriously. In the mid 1990's Karla Faye Tucker faced execution for the pickaxe murder of two senior citizens. In prison she found Jesus and became quite active in church ministries. For that reason, she tried to have her sentence commuted, but no one forgot the horrendous crime, or victims. There was a collective thought of:"So, she found Jesus. Good, she'll know what he looks like when she gets there."

She was executed in late 1995.

 

But in the Texas case it wasn't even his house, it was his neighbour's ????

 

Ohio now adopted this and I am glad for it since NE Ohio is the meth capital of the USA. Not in my yard!

 

Agree to disagree, yes. Having them run away just to break into someone else's home doesn't go down well with me. At some point, these break-ins will turn nasty where an innocent victim will get hurt. Much like the carjackings. You have babies being taken and even tossed out or the drivers beaten. Is that what it will take to change your point of view?

I believe in proactive action. Nip the problem before it gets out of hand. I firmly believe that anyone who chooses to commit a crime loses their civil rights at that point. Nothing will ever change my mind and God help the individual who tries anything at my house because I sure won't grant any quarter.

I respect the views of those who are for gun control but don't dare try to change mine and I won't try to change yours. I am within the law. It is what it is.

 

Reminds me of the South Park episode,. "Its coming right for us!!" LOL

JIMBO
They say we can't shoot certain
animals anymore unless they're posing
an immediate threat. Therefore, before
we shoot something, we have to say;
"It's coming right for us!"

 

The criminals crossed his land to exit. They actually ran at him, veering away as he fired-hence the shots at their shoulders and the one hit in the back (it all transpired in two seconds).

 

In general, it doesn't matter where someone is if someone else threatens him or her and put's him or her in genuine fear of his or her life. A reasonable fear is all that is necessary to legitimately use deadly force to defend one's self. I understand Texas law has removed the genuine fear element, IF the threatening person is on your own property. It's my understanding that several other states have either followed suit or are considering doing so. People here, are fed up with criminals manipulating the judicial system to their own advantage, while the law-abiding citizen is put at risk of his life or liberty if he so much as threatens to use force against them.

I, for one, agree with the point made by PzJgr; that it is far better to put an end to a criminal's career, whenever possible, than to wait for them to happen upon some innocent who can't defend themselves. Is that harsh? Well, yes, but just how much consideration does the habitual criminal involved in dangerous crimes that potentially threaten innocent lives, deserve? I still remember the police officer who took a burgalry report from me many years ago when my house was broken into; he spoke of the difficulty of catching the perpetrators and getting convictions, and mentioned that a "field solution" might be the best answer.

 

Wow the third page on gun control and you guys are still being gentle! I'm not used to this , I'd almost expected some gunpowder

 

Yeah, considering that it went completely off-topic as the original subject was a film of a very fat guy firing a gun YouTube - AR-15

 

I like it when the guy in the yellow doesn't get the mag locked in and it falls on the ground. He should of asked for a retake. I figure if someone breaks into your house they leave thier rights at the doorstep. That being said I would have a hard time shooting someone in the back that wasn't immediately threatening me or someone else. That being said its better to be judged by eleven than carried by six.