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challenger 2 and m1a1

Discussion in 'Post-World War 2 Armour' started by Sherman phpbb3, Aug 6, 2005.

  1. Sherman phpbb3

    Sherman phpbb3 New Member

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    Do you guys think that the British Challenger 2 is better than the Abrams .I think that the Arbrams is superior to it .But what do you guys think
     
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    FNG phpbb3 New Member

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    It's like asking if Red Leicester is better than Chedder.

    Especially as neither is very likely to meet a match in combat to properly test them, only older Russian tanks from the 60's, 70's and at most 80's.

    FNG
     
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    Stonewall phpbb3 New Member

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    how about some specs?
     
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    How about this gets moved to "Post WWII and Modern tanks"? :wink:
     
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    Jeffrey phpbb3 New Member

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    Yeah, and if I'm correct this kind of topics are mentioned before.

    One advice: I think when you are saying that the Abrams is better than the Challenger 2, give some more information about why you think it is better, you even forgot to mention what version of the Abrams.
     
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    Sherman phpbb3 New Member

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    well first off the abrams has special exploding armor to off set the shell
     
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    Sherman phpbb3 New Member

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    plus iti shte most high tech tank in the world
     
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    The Abrams has composite armour (Chobham, Chobham derivative or Chobham development), as does the Challenger II and the Leopard 2, so there's not a huge difference in terms of protection. Neither are apparently fitted with ERA as standard, although most Russian MBTs have external ERA as a bolt on.
     
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    i think this should be in the post wwII forum, am i correct? :smok:
     
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    You know Me262, I might just have already suggested that... :lol:
     
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    Who told you this?

    The Abrams (non of the versions) use ERA, I have seen a program that shows that the Challenger 2 uses some explosive packages between its frontal turret armor, but haven't seen any informaton about it on the web or anywhere else.

    And the M1 isn't the most high-tech tank in the world, the electronics of the latest M1a2SEP version are very high-tech indeed, but not the best, some say about the best electronics can be found in the French Leclerc and even better, the Japanese Type 90, this one is said to be the most expensive MBT today.

    Can you tel me where you get your information from?
     
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    Sherman phpbb3 New Member

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    I went up to one at Camp Mabry and the Major there said that it had exploding armor to off set the shell
     
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    Than he knows something that we don't know or he doesn't know where he is talking about.
     
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    Hmmm, we've been through this before on the reliability of the users. I knew a squaddie who'd been told by his wepaon's instructor that the muzzle velocity of an L1A1 (FN FAL basically) was nearly 500 miles per hour :lol: . 1 quote does not make a reliable source.
    I agree with Jeffrey, re ERA on Abrams (and AFAIK it's not on Chally either).
    And Leclerc is probably the best contender at the moment for electronics-heavy AFV.
     
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    Ive seen tests for the abrams were they show what happens when the shell hits the armor .My uncle that is in Iraq also told me that it had exploding armor to off set the shell
     
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    O and I dont freakin care about what the Japenese or the French have .Are they fighting in Iraq with them ....No .I dont even buy dam cars from the japenese
     
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    Ah, so one major and your uncle, with a "film" as corroboration...
    And so what if you don't care? The facts are the facts, and your choice of car doesn't enter into it :-?
    What's the film, who produced it, why was it produced, who was the target audience ...?
    Take a look at http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showthread.php?t=46314
    and you'll now see that the Abrams can't pentrate Russian tanks. This from
    A) the Germans
    B) backed up by a Pentagon spokesman and
    C) reported by possibly the world's leading (western) authority on tanks.
    Do you believe that? Or will your uncle tell you something different?
    PS FNG, Red Leicester is better than Cheddar, except when it's not :lol:
     
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    Sherman, comments like that are not really appreciated by the Admin in this Forum.
    We try wherever possible to be open-minded and tolerant, but we expect our members to follow the Golden Rule:

    Be Polite

    Oh, and welcome aboard! Hope you enjoy your time here. :D
     
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    How can you say that Japanese cars are worse than American? We should start a new thread on that.

    Why no one in Europe buys US cars as they are poorly made compared to Jap ones :wink:

    FNG
     
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    Well, that and they tend not to fit on our roads... :wink:
     

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