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GB EU Refferendum June 2016 - Should the GB stay or exit the European Union? BRexit

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  1. GRW

    GRW Pillboxologist WW2|ORG Editor

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    Who is this "we"?! Magna Carta means NOTHING to anyone except the English, because it never applied to the rest of us to begin with. It concerned the king of ENGLAND and his barons, and most of it was repealed in the 19th and 20th Centuries-
    "Only three clauses of Magna Carta still remain on statute in England and Wales."
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magna_Carta#cite_note-FOOTNOTEBreay201048-238
    Note it says "England and Wales", which have a completely separate legal system to Scotland and Ulster-
    "England and Wales have a combined judicial system, while Scotland and Northern Ireland have their own judicial systems."
    http://www.nyulawglobal.org/globalex/United_Kingdom1.html#BACKGROUND
    Here's more in the different legal systems-
    http://www.nyulawglobal.org/globalex/United_Kingdom1.html#devolution

    I'll say it again; not only is London not the sum total of the UK, neither is England.
    And you had the cheek to accuse me of supposedly being a "Little Englander".
     
  2. m kenny

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    'Little Englander' has never applied just to citizens of England. It can (and does) apply to any person who can be called 'British'.

    Sample:

    'a person who perceives most foreign influences on Britain's culture and institutions as damaging or insidious',

    The original 19th Century historical meaning was someone opposed to the extension of the British Empire
     
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    GRW Pillboxologist WW2|ORG Editor

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    Here's another perspective-
    "MORE than half of French voters want their own in-out referendum on European Union (EU) membership, renewing fears in Brussels that a Brexit could topple the 28-country bloc.
    53 per cent of the French voted in favour of holding a referendum on the country’s membership
    With Britons set to go to the polls in June, there are increasing signs the UK’s referendum is paving the way for other European countries to question their own relationship with Brussels.
    It comes after calls for Germany to have their own EU referendum in the aftermath of the migrant crisis.
    In a fresh blow to the EU, 53 per cent of the French voted in favour of holding a UK-style referendum on the country’s membership.Such a response from one of the EU’s founder members will undoubtedly ruffle feathers in Brussels.Front National (FN) leader Marine Le Pen welcomed the poll results in a recent blog post, saying French demands for a referendum were “extremely encouraging”. A quarter (25 per cent) of French people also want to see an end of free movement throughout Europe after the EU’s Schengen zone was heavily criticised in the aftermath of the Paris attacks."
    http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/654175/French-voters-demand-Frexit-EU-referendum-Germany-UK-Brexit
     
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    Unnecessary post.
     
  5. m kenny

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    Err.............no. There was no vote.
    It was:

    a study of 8,000 voters in Germany, France, Poland, Ireland, Spain and Sweden by the University of Edinburgh and a German think- tank

    The survey did not collect opinion on voting intentions...........


    Obviously the rabid anti-foreigner right-wing rags in the UK spun the story in the most negative way but here are 2 more balanced accounts:

    http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-eu-popularity-poll-idUKBRE9540F620130605

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/mar/10/most-eu-citizens-want-uk-to-remain-study-suggests
     
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    And for some reason, the Americans, though their reason seems to be honest enough.
     
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    OK so the better the UK does the more it pays. If you lived in the UK you would know that we are still suffering from the deficit run up by the previous Government, The UK needs to keep hold of all the money it earns rather than be propping up the dead legs of Europe.

    However I still think if it were not for the EU's inability to sort the migrant problem many on the exit side would be fighting to remain.
     
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    The better any country does, the more it pays. Lots of countries have deficits. In the overall budget of the UK, the cost is rather small



    In 2010, the IMF forecast the UK to have the largest budget deficit in the G20, at 11.4% of GDP. As a result of the action that the government has taken, the OBR forecast that the UK’s deficit as a share of GDP will be reduced by almost two-thirds to 3.8% of GDP in 2015-16

    The long-term economic plan has delivered considerable economic gains since 2010. The UK was the fastest growing major advanced economy in 2014, the second fastest in 2015 and the OECD forecast the UK to be the fastest growing in 2016.

    Between 2010 and 2015, labour markets in the regions have performed strongly. Unemployment fell and employment rose in every region, with two-thirds of the increase in employment from outside London and the South East.

    https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/budget-2016-documents/budget-2016
     
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    Good but those who reside in the UK are suffering to build the recovery, we need to enjoy the result of our pain and not have it shipped abroad for others to use.
     
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    It means something to many Americans because they don't really understand it. As an example of codification of legal rights it does have some considerable import beyond England though.
     
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    I like that the City of London predates England.
    • IX. THE City of London shall have all the old Liberties and Customs which it hath been used to have. Moreover We will and grant, that all other Cities, Boroughs, Towns, and the Barons of the Five Ports, as with all other Ports, shall have all their Liberties and free Customs.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magna_Carta
    Sure, City of London's okay, I guess. I do prefer City of Westminster 1, 000% though. - As a borough/place.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrObZ_HZZUc
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1ROpIKZe-c
     
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    I found this video
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O37yJBFRrfg
     
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    You furrieners are a funny lot :)
     
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    Deyam, my head hurts. Talk about complicated.
     
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    [​IMG]
    http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/news/article-2052433/Chart-How-does-Britain-pay-EU-does-back.html

    Finally got this to work
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    http://www.cityam.com/1414168815/eu-budget-map-how-much-has-uk-been-asked-pay-compared-other-countries


    So what you're saying is, because we give them money, they're able to make stuff?

    This is more tongue and cheek than anything to be alarmed about, but it also displays the mentally of these fat faced (probably inferior) pig nosed rude lazy ingrates we call partners.
    http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/653145/Germans-DEMAND-Britain-leave-EU-haute-show-more-sausage
     
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    There are other countries, that have never received more than they put in. Critics like to moan. As I demonstrated, whether by per capita or as a precentage of GDP, German net contribution is more than twice the UKs' to the EU budget.

    The article you linked to was what, 18 months old? It is describing a proposed adjustment to payments for 2014, based on the changed (in the case of the UK, improved) Gross National Income of member states, in 2013. Not quite sure how that is relevant now in 2016.

    Generally your complaint is just the old Thatcherite call of "We want our money back!" Like I said, if you don't like/appreciate/understand what the EU is offering, vote to leave the EU. There's a lot more at stake than a few billion pounds per year (0.34% of the British GDP). If you really believe the UK can do better on its own, leave.

    The mentality of the fat-faced (probably inferior), pig-nosed, rude, lazy ingrates you call partners, is such that they probably want you to leave.

    [​IMG]
    List of rudest nations (France 1st, British 3rd)

    List of Laziest Nations globally, (Malta 1st, Serbia 4th, UK 8th)

    Could not find a list of the most pig-nosed nations online....
     
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    Australia has broken it down even further...There is now an add campaign by the government...I call it the "Women get off your arses" program : )
    Its identified that Australian women don't exercise enough and wants them to put looks and attractiveness in second place to being a strong, fit and connected woman...Us Aussie blokes are laughing our guts out saying "See!? Told yas!"
     
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    "minimum activity recommendations- 2.5 Hours of moderate exercise a week".
    Decided by whom- the same medical professionals who spent their undergraduate days doing all the things they now tell the rest of us not to do?!
    Should rename it the Hypocritical Oath.
     
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    Does a 15 minute walk to the pub 5 nights a week qualify, if I also manage to walk home again. Brian
     
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