Discussion in 'Post-World War 2 Armour' started by hoffe_sweden, Apr 17, 2004.
what is your favorite Infantry Fighting Vehicle. :smok:
M4A3 105 Sherm
Of course, thats back in WW2. The Bradly gets my vote in a modern day scenario.
Like I mentioned before, the BMP 3:
In WW2 I'd say a British infantry tank like the Churchill. :grin:
Right now i wouldn't know.
The British Warrior.
The only disadvantage is the lack of any A/T weaponry (the Bradley & BMP can both carry A/T missiles).
Do you know why the Brits chose to omit an ATG? I thought they'd add one for sure after the TOW2 from the Bradley did so well in 92 Gulf.
We tend to have specialist A/T vehicles in our formations, and not hang missiles off every vehicle.
I'm not overly sure that this is a better policy, though...
What armament do modern IFV got these days? And what sort and thickness of armour? Does anyone know that?
Generally IFVs have a quick-firing cannon, usually between 25mm and 30mm caliber.
Many include some form of A/T missile capability.
Most ICV have frontal resistance to 20-30mm AP/APDS but not APFSDS, while the all round protection level is 7.62mm AP/SLAP. Most ICV however also come with upgrading options, so depending on the selection they can provide frontal protection upto 30mm APFSDS and all round protection against HMG [12.7/14.5mm API].All round HEAT protection is usually 'Grenade launcher HEAT warheads' [not to be confused with rifle fired HEAT grenades] . However if the angle of impact is 70°, early RPG-7 should ricochet off and fail to fuze.
In addition ,these upgrades usually include a protection level of RPG-7 within a frontal arc of ± 30°. THis includes the armor on the side of the AFV at 60° side angle , provides the same protection [ In other words some impacts on frontal arc of ± 30°, will be hitting the side armor @ 60°] . Infact with such upgrades , a 30mm API can also be defeated in the side armor provided there is a additional side angle of 45-60°. All round HEAT protection of the upgraded models is usually either 'Grenade launcher HEAT warheads' or 'rifle fired HEAT grenades' .
I believe the British Scorpian recon/IFV can withstand bullets up to 14.5mm in caliber (standard Russian HMG caliber). They can also withstand airbursts or nearby shellbursts from large guns up to 155mm caliber.
Now to the guns, the BMP 3 is armed with a 7.62mm MG, a 30mm MG, a 100mm LV gun, and the newest of the Russian ATGM. Thats alot of bite if you ask me!
I just saw a Bradley in Janes Weekly that appeared to carry to what looks like German Mexus Armor on the front. They look like bricks but made of steel. I think they're suppose to be highly heat-proof.
To me that BMP 3's 30mm looks like overkill. It takes up space in an already overcrowded interior. The russians should have just went to a medium caliber.
Bradely A3 version has a 30mm Hard steel plate bolted to the aluminum armor with Super Blazer ERA mounted over top. Is that what you mean?
I don't think this was it. This looks new to me. It's in the current edition of Jane's Weekly if you've a chance to look at it the next time you're at Borders.
They look like rectangular blocks made of steel. About 8"x6"x3". They covered the frontal hull glasis. Looks too small to be Blazer ERA. On the other hand, they may be what you described as the photo was taken about 30 ft. away.
I like the M2 Bradley.
The very first IFV. Basically a Mark IV heavy tank with a six foot section added to the hull to accomodate several infantrymen with lewis guns. The idea being that the tank would cross the German trenches and then the lewis gunners would deploy out in a line behind the German trenches to prevent the men there from retreating.
It didn't generally work in practice since the motion and fumes usually clobbered the lewis gunners but at least they were thinking about the problem.
How about the Swedish Combat Vehicle 90 (CV90)?
It looks good, and if their claims are true it is good...
My favourite would still be the Warrior, just because... :wink: