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Where has CNN claimed that this is the start of the Third World War?

 

CNN headline news there had a guy(one of their hosts) that said soemthing like this "you dotn beleive me its the start of WWIII? Watch this" I beleive it was Glenn Beck.
Where I live we get 2 CNN chanels CNN and CNN headline news and in the mornin they ussualy broadcast on TBS from Atlanta.

They ahd a clip of it on the daily show with jon steward
unfortinutely I cannot watch videos on my computer so I cannot point out which epidose.

 

Thanks ricky , the page is now on my bookmarks




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Yep ! it's like a video game ,
the historical and morals arguments have been chew over to death
and except for the religious tourism angle
the whole place is a dump of no importance peopled by murderous liards !!





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The whole Israel-Palestine thing is really pathetic - two hate-cultures trying to get a strip of arid land. I would like to ask them: if your god offers you this heavily contested and inhospitable land, are you sure your god likes you???

Late me say this:

1. Jews lived longer outside this land than inside

2. Both Jews and Muslims came as invaders

3. The last two times the Jews entered the land they ethnicly cleansed it.

4. Jews invented terrorism during Roman rule (1st Century AD), Muslims only took up this 'tradition' (12th Century AD) in Palestine to counter Christian crusaders.

5. Jews pissed the Romans off to such extent that they destroyed the temple and prohibeted Jews coming to Jerusalem/Israel for the centuries after that until the muslims allowed them to return.

6. Jews were 'happier'under muslim rule than under christian rule. They set open the city gates to them in Spain during the 8th Century and left Christian dominated Spain in the 16th Century to settle in the Muslim dominated Levant.

 

Not just you.

Israel seems to be one of those issues that really divides people.
And there is a LOT of twisted facts, untruths and sheer stupidity spouted on behalf of both sides. :roll:

 

It was made arid by the rather foolish govenance of the Turks. Jewish immigrants from the 1800s invested a lot of time & effort into making large chunks of it decent arable land again (IIRC ploughing fish into the soil was one method used!)

Only the first time. Unless I am very much mistaken there was no nation-wide massacre of non-Jews in (or after) 1948

Jews did not 'invent' terrorism. It is a logical tactic open to those under the imposed rule of a much stronger miliray power and is as old as warfare.

Well, yes. Jew & Muslim had a long and peaceful coexistance for several thousand years. Much better than Jew & Christian, or Christian & Muslim, or Catholic & Protestant, or even Sunni & Shi'ite. But that was when Jews were a decided minority, dispersed throughout the Muslim world in small numbers. As soon as they began congregating in one area, and asking for their own nation, they started to be hated. Odd isn't it.

 

I assume you mean hundreds of years because as far as my memory serves it was started in the 7th century.

 

Apologies, yes. I got over-enthusiastic...

 

Problem is that this conflict does has enormous impac on world politics. Muslims (escpecialy Arabs) see it as largest proof that they are trated unfearly (and they are by my opinion). It also has large impact becouse three of great religions see Jerusalem as holy place.

Let's face it this conflict is draging on for last 60 years for one simple reason: Great powers are unwilling to stop it.
Solution could be qiute simple. Cut both sides from money (Israel is getting around 4 billion of US taxpayer money per year) and money they get should be monitored carefully. Simple realy: no money, no war.

Modern day terrorism ( blowing up buses, restaurants, hotels, assasination of prominent poeple...) is Israeli invention (Stern gang). They also demonstrated that it can be highly succesfull. Algerians admited themselves that they modelled their terrorism activities in fight for independance according to Israeli example (check any documentary with Algerians being inteviewed).

 

It should be pointed out that money is also going to the nations around Israel - IIRC it was part of the Camp David agreement, though that is from memory and could be wrong. Stopping the money would probably harm Israel more, which means a weaker Israel, which means more potential for another big, all-out war, which means (if Israel is weak enough) the possible end of Israel, which is quite likely to mean lots of nukes over lots of Arab capitals... (my doom & gloom version )


I once read a book which 'solved' the problem by having Jerusalem as a free city administered by a join Jewish/Muslim/Christian council, and policed by a Swiss force. Nice idea, doubt it would work.

One big problem is that it has just dragged on for too long. Both sides now have ample reason to hate the other beyond the mere issue of 'whose land is it'.

It was once said that if the Arabs laid down their arms, the fighting would end, but if the Jews laid down their arms, Israel would end.
It is probably still true today... comments?

 

Problem is that Israel doesn't want to talk and then stick to agreed solution even when others are willing to talk. Israel is sometimes unreasonanle (like their additional demands after Barak - Arafat agreed to the solution). They have to face it that Palestinians will not give up all their demands for nothing in return.
Stance "We will not talk to you, becouse you are terrorists" is not reasonable at best and in my opinion downright stupid.
Without generous US backing they would be forced to find solution. They know that permanent solution will have to include rights of deported Palestinians in last 60 years and that in the end they should pay compensation to them ( we just paid off Italians for thie proprety confiscated after ww2). It seems that they are very quick to demand compensation for their troubles but ignoring demands of others.

Right. Serbs also started evicting Albanians after hostilities started but that did not make that right, didn't it?
Let's face it, this was deliberate campaign from very start of Israel and it is still going on ( check who can get land from Israels state land found and you will find it highly dicriminatory and while you at it check also where this found gets the land). Nowdays it's called ethinc cleansing ( just a fancy word for what is in effect genocide, but does not obligate anyone to do anything about it ).
Haag prison is full of pople who did just what Israel did. If Isreli commanders would be draged off to Haag (like everbody else) and not covered by US (and other simphatetic countries), they would bloody well think twice what they do and where their bombs land.

 

Tom Clancy's "Sum of all Fears" so you can take it with as many pinches of salt as you like.

IIRC the end result was nearly a nuclear war (Jack Ryan saves the world again) :bang:

Tom

 

Israel has no moral authority over war crimes as case of Shlomo Morel proves it.
Shlomo Morel was UB ([Urzad Bezpieczenstwa - Internal Security Services] concentartion camp commander after the war.

 

That's the one!

Pass the salt please :smok:

 

Oh no, not Tom Clancy. I have an intense dislike of that guy... I read the "Bear and the Dragon", which I found to be stereotypical, patronizing, stupidly gung-ho and bordering on racism (Chinese people are referred to as Joe Chinaman, slant-eyed fucks, heathens, yellow barbarians etc). The statements are not uttered by characters in the book, but still...

 

I saw that and was too taken back. I am consistently flabbergasted at how CNN can present itself as a professional news outlet with such sensationalist comments. It is as though CNN (and many other TV news sources) tries to dumb things down for us, the viewers at home, and so comparisions between a world war and yet another Israeli/Arab conflict slip by unabated. What truly irritates me is that the conflict in Lebanon has hijacked the US media and thus said conflict is all that gets proper coverage. What about Iraq? Are we forgetting about that plot of sand just as we forgot Osama Bin Laden?

A ceasefire is undoubtedly never going to amount to much in the ongoing and fanatically inspired conflict between Israel and the Arab world. Israel has the power to come to terms, but Lebanon is a country ruled by a guerilla army and its government is hardly capable of administering law and order.

 

another crime done by polishs to innocent jews and germans

There is a book "A Terrible Revenge: The Ethnic Cleansing of the East European Germans, 1944-1950 is a book by Alfred-Maurice de Zayas based on testimonials of German civilians and military describing war atrocities committed by the Soviet Army at the end of World War II.
According to the testimonies quoted in the book, in many cases women were stripped, raped and left dead in the street or nailed to barn doors crucifixion style, and children were murdered." In November and December 1993, an exhibit on the Ethnic Cleansing 1944-1948 was held at Stuart Center of De Paul University, in Chicago, where it was called an unknown holocaust, which had been forgotten about.

Wojciech Korfanty

...this "innocent" country, which attacked germany in the 1920s, murdering, raping, destroying humans and landscapes of a weaked nation.



Regards,
Che.

 

Excuse me, but were the acts of Wojciech Korfanty actually encouraged by the Polish government? Or was he simply a terrorist acting for himself and his own anti-German agenda...

 

Since we are drifting on the historical bastards kin of thing
and following on the tom clancy school of equal oportunity hatred
a few side issues are in order

primo ....steiner wrote " jews invented terrorism during Roman rule (1st

Century AD), Muslims only took up this 'tradition'
(12th Century AD) in Palestine to counter Christian crusaders."

the point about the zealot sect practising terrorism during titus siege
and destruction of jerusalem in the 50's BC is absolutly accurate ,
however the grand-daddy of the human guided missile is the ismaelite
sect of the " old man of the mountain " whom in the 12th century were
sending young men in suicide missions to kill their enemies ,
their habit of consuming hashish led to them being called " hashishin" ,
in old french ..assassins .
they were hated and feared by the aristocracy sunnis muslims and
found refuge in northern lebanon under the protection of the knight of
st john of the hospiltal a crusading military order of monks !!!

one should not underestimate the importance of those small ,pathetic
wars to be a lab test of weaponry . :smok:

the latest instalment was VERY interesting ,
israeli ship ,helicopters and tanks got taken out by a new generation
of cheap mass produced missiles , for the merkavas IV doom ,go to
wikipedia and type.. rpg-29 ...in search !
the ship got taken by a chinese made land to sea missile with a reported
98% immunity to counter measure
no chopper can fly over fighting ground and get life insurance .

it was always assumed than arabs were geneticaly incapable of any
degree of sustained fighting , well hezbollah did kick israeli arse with
a pretty respectable kill / loss ratio considering the harware against
them ,so this is to prove the old chesnut trues
- air power is a superficial cover for weak infantry doctrine
- the first weapon in a fight is morale :kill:





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