K98k or M1 Garand

Sturmkreutz

Oh, I'm sorry I was observing this from an entirely different angle. As a serving officer I was approaching this post from "what weapon will I pick in battle." This is one of the problems will polls. You should have written it in your firs post, rather than asking 'what was best'

I have a Mauser in 30-06 for hunting. It has been slightly modyfied to carry a scope, and I have polished the trigger down to one and a half pounds. I works very well for stalking.

 

This is perhaps mainly due to size and weight ( the Garand was actually slightly heavier than the K98 ). The M1 carbine at almost half the weight is a much handier weapon to carry in a fast-moving offensive such as the Ardennes ( where many photos of 'captured' carbines were taken ).

There is also no doubt that, to use a modern term , the M1 Carbine was a 'cool' weapon to sport ( it was highly-prized also by British Airborne forces ).


All this, despite its well-known lack of 'stopping power'.

 

But the British kept our Lee-Enfield into the 50s...It was still in slight use in the 90s!

 

The power difference, if any, is neglectible.

Semi auto makes a huge difference.

M-1 all the way !

 

Maybe a fairer question would be : M1 Garand or MP44....?

 

I don't agree Martin. The MP44 is another category weapon. As a squaddie you'd prefer the weapon that keeps you alive longer. And if you get to choose between a semi auto 8shot mag. rifle and an assault rifle the choise is easy.

Joe
Yes the British army stuck by the Lee Enfield for many years, as did it with SLR even though most other nations equiped their forces with fully fledged assault rifles. Many have argued that this was so because of the doctrine of carfully aimed shots. Not nessesarily wrong either. One of the logics behind this is the experience of the British Army fighting overseas. If you give the squaddies a weapon that will fire 600 rounds per minute, you need to find a logistics solution that enable the army to supply them with 600 rounds per minute. A result of British thinking and doctrine is apparent by the stats after the Falklands war in ratio bullets used compared to men killed. I cannot remember it now, but it was a far cry from the 50,000 per kills in the Vietnam war.

 

I don't think I'd call the G41 a copy of the Garand by any means. Especially as there were two very distinct versions of the former.

 

well if I was sittin' in a foxhole and a bunch of crazy germans were running at me, I'd want the Garand, semi-auto!! I'd hate to have to stop to mess with the bolt, the enemy could be right up on you at that point!

 

Close range, semi-auto would be easy since you could shoot sereval shot. Far range would be alot easier with the bolt-weapon since it is less recoil.

 

Sturmkreuz

Less recoil with a bolt action than a semi-automatic????

Go to the nearest airport and get a ticket to Vigra Airport Norway. I'll pick you up myself and we can go to the Garrison in Åndalsnes. I'll let you try a selection of weapons in semi and bolt in the same calibre and then we can discuss recoil.

Quiz: What makes the semi automatic weapon eject the spendt cartridge and feed a new one into the chamber?

1. The Fairy Godmother told it to.
2. I guess it's part of that PC madness people are talking about.
3. The mechanism uses some of the kinetic energy from the fired round to operate.

 

ummmm..........no.

hehehehe.....fairy godmother!....hehehehehehe

 

Oops Wrong.. Mauser had more recoil, I typed it all wrong.

But how more recoil did the Mauser had than the Garand?

 

I have been fortunate enough to shoot both firearms. In battle I would choose the Garand,
but I think the K98 is a much nicer firearm. The Garand felt nose heavy to me. I owned a K98 as seen in my Avatar.

 

Is there any significant differenses in recoil of "blow-back" and "gas-operated" weapons?

 

Thanks for sharing.

M1 was a Generals weapon, wasn't it?

 

Actually, not the same.
But i did make a mistake, Since i'm trying to compare assualt rifles, i'm not sure "blowback" was used in them.
I should've asked about differences in recoil of "recoil operetad" and "gas operated" assualt rifles.
But, still "blowback" and "gas-operated" weapon principals are NOT the same.

 

Well,I think that it isn't a right poll.Why?Because one is a bolt action rifle and the other is a semi automatic rifle.It would be correct K 98 K vs. Springfield M-1903.Two bolt action rifles.Or Gew 43 vs. Garand.This is my own opinion.Surely the precision of Kar 98 K was more higher than Garand.

 

That is a reasonable point, and it's difficult always to exactly compare 'like-for-like'. But I think the poll can be justified because both rifles were in front-line service with two of WWII's major combatant armies at exactly the same time.

 

Indeed a reasonable point but I'd took K98k & M1Garand as main reason, that it were the main weapons of both sides.