My small collection :)

wow. you've got a good little collection going, i cant wait to see what is added to it.

 

Some great items indeed. I have a few doubts about one or two though. The cancellation stamp looks a bit too new to me. Is this white wood that was artifically darkened and is the wooden handle still rough? then is was never used and is probably a replica.
The Koppelschloss buckle looks nice, but if you could show me the RZM number on the back I could tell you more about it.

 

Thanks Skipper for the expertise. Im still new at this, but I try and make sure everything is legit before I buy. Here are some pictures of the items you asked for.

 

Stamps are not my thing , but the buckle looks OK to me

 

The Totenkopf stamp...is is original? If it is, you got quite a good find there. My uncle used to collect stamps. He had a dozen of them. But when he passed away my aunt sold them not knowing what they were worth. I recall he had a Gestapo stamp, one of Heinrich Himmler's personal insignia stamps, and a stamp of the German High Command.

 

Please enlighten me on this buckle...I've never seen anything remotley close to this. I don't even think the RZM code exists.....all RZM buckles are a M/4...this looks like it was made in a high school metal shop.

 

At the moment we see a lot of fake SS alu buckles in Holland appear, but then and with an SS mark in a circle and RZM in circle and a makers nr . ..but these look far more faint in the swastika and other detail on the front too , compared to those Chrisses belt looked a lot better to me .

Maybe I can get a pic of one of those multi stamped belts as I do know someone who has one , bet he wont mind me photographing it .

 

I would also like to know more about this buckle. Looks nice but is it authentic?

 

This buckle is 1000% reproduction.

 

I'm not trying to pick on Chris here or his fine collection; but there is no such a thing as a Concentration Camp Prisioner armband with the 'Star of David' on it. This is purely fantasy, I bet it even has a stamp of some kind on it. They do a good job of aging these also to fool people.

Anyone with the book; 'faking the hollocaust' can read all about these armbands.

 

You have quite a nice collection there Chris. Keep us posted!

 

Wow, I had no idea the armband was fake. I could have sworn the seller was a reputable collector. So yall are saying the buckle is a repo as well?

 

Chris,

I will provide you with the email address for the author of the book 'faking the holocaust'. He says that collectors are welcome to email items to him for authentication. He will tell you the same I am afraid..

The SS belt buckle has incorrect hardware for a period original. The RZM code for buckles was M/4...I've never seen the letters R.Z.M. stamped on an original TR era item...and certainly the 3 digit numerical code is purely made up.

The items you are showing are difficult items to detect even for a seasoned collector. You'd be best served studying about a subject at length before you part with your hard earned money. But this is just my opinion...you are welcome to collect any way you'd like!

If you'd like answers on your party pin I'd be more than happy to assist you there as well.

Rich

 

Yeah the only armbands that could have been possibly issued were the ones labeling "prisoner guards". Yeah I knew there was something up about that buckle. Its nice to though. I mean as long as you didnt pay a lot for it....lol

 

You still have some cool stuff. Thanks for sharing with us!

 

I found some pix fom the book Belt buckles of the third reich / schiffer / bob evans .

Both RZM and SS marked .....this buckle is not same like yours Chris but these pics undermine RR's opinion about the RZM marks . Note the very different bridge inside the buckle too .. just from the fact yours shows a RZM doest convince me its a fake yet ..but most original buckles do seem to have this kind of bridges soldered instead of the folded alu one on yours ..

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I wouldnt dismiss it as a fake yet. It looks to be though. But thats my own personal opinion, I'm no expert.

 

Me neither , but very interesting to hear other collectors opinions ..it's great learning stuff
The high makersnumber RR has mentioned is a strong point ..

added another example with ss and rzm mark from the same book , this one got a more rare type of bridge inside:

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Oh I know. I usually read up on something and talk to a couple of my friends who are also collectors before I buy something.

 

I am still trying to figure out how you think this undermines my opinion of the RZM mark? It proves my point! The RZM mark on both buckles you provided pics of reinforce my point that this buckle is an out and out fake...and a bad one at that. You show both a steel and an injection molded aluminum buckle...both with and original RZM mark...what about these pieces makes you feel that my opinion is false?

This buckle is a poor fake, if you can get your money back I would.