Name that tank!

Landsverk L100 - swedish prototype.

 

Black Prince a scaled up a Churchill to fit a 17 pounder.

Your'e going too fast for me ..... sorry

 

Yes Von Poop, that is it.

I like the overall design of the Black Prince. The only flaw I can think of is the extra weight of the 17 pounder.

Someone else wanna give a go at it?

 

ooh...i had the black prince...too bad i havent seen this thread alive for a while.

 

Ok,

No pictures available, but:

Name a tank that was developed (from the ground up) during the war as a direct result of another tank destroyed in combat?

 

Did the Black Prince (A43) ever see Combat action?

 

Please be more specific, the gun/armour race applied more than once, thanks like the Firefly, Black Prince, Panther and JS were strongly influenced by the need to counter specific enemy tank designs (Panther most of all). Or do you mean another tank from the same side as the new design?

 

No.

According to Fletcher's 'Mr churchill's Tank':
6 prototypes built;
2 to Vauxhall for development work.
1 used for firing trials at Lulworth.
1 used for firing trials as a target at Shoeburyness.
1 to the FVPE for field trials.
1 to wading trials at Westward Ho.

Pilot #4 was moved to Bovington in April 1947.
(The Cadman brothers appear to have one or 2 of the surviving hulks in their collection.)

Cheers (and welcome aboard),
Adam.

 

I think they have one with a Comet turret parked on top, ex turretless tank from Pounds yard (then went to Salisbury Plain then to A.F. Budge, then to Cadmans), it is posssibly the test vehicle for the attempt to fit a metior engine. Seems to have went to Pounds at the time the E100 went threre, so possibly a clear out from TDU Bovington.

I actually thought I found a turret of one on an air range, but after walking for a mile and a half through muck it turned out to be the front of a flattened Bedford CF van.

~Steve

 

Since this is pretty much open I would like to butt in here:
What is this? And for a bonus, what was it's "special" feature? And who was it's bigger brother?

 

10.5 lefh18/1(sf) auf Geschutzwagen IVb - sdkfz165/1
'Special feature' was some traverse.

'Brother':
10.5cm lefh18/1 L28 auf Waffentrager GWIVb 'Heuschrecke 10'
Removable/emplacable turret.

I thought you were never going to visit this thread again Joe?

 

Well, I couldn't resist!
Another special feature is that the turret could be removed, just like it's brother.


Actually I bet it wasn't, and now your going to laugh at me.

 

Would I laugh at you Joe?
Well... yeah, I would, but only on stubbornly calling a Sherman a Valentine .

As far as I know the turret on the GW IVb was partially traversable, and only removable in the conventional sense. When staff interest turned towards the emplaceable turret (as found on the Heuschrecke) it was discarded.

Must confess I'm puzzled as to why Krupp felt it worthwhile messing with the MkIV's chassis (engine, roadwheels, etc.) to create this hybrid, when there wasn't much wrong with that running gear in the first place. I suppose they just wanted more room for the BFG.

~A

 

I believe the plan was to replace the PzIV chassis with the shortened type, but I don't think they had OKW approval or Hitlers ear, cetainly there was a StuG, PzJgr, in fairly advanced development looking like the JP IV ausf F. The 8 built LeF H 18/1 were shipped off to Russia but as far as I know there have been only one photo of one in service shown in German Tanks by Chamberlian and Doyle.

Turret is not demountable. however there is the other Pz SFH 3/4 type still extant in IWM Duxford that had the removable 105mm howitzer Le18.

Now it there a new tank that von Poop or me can really have a crack at- that's got to cause an impossible photo to surface eh.

Steve

 

well...if we wanted to open this thread up to tanks from all periods of time, could we do it here? Or would we have to relocate to another category?

 

SOAR21, check out my first post in this thread and the reaction it received.

Tanks from all periods are not welcome here.

 

well then what are you going to do we are running out of tanks to post

 

Ah, why not.
Bring 'em on?
I could seriously do with polishing up my postwar ID'ing.

 

The first tank that was designed specifically from the destruction of one tank was the Panther.

All other tanks developed after the Germans first met the T34 in battle were developed due to the "cause & effect" of what the enemy was developing.

During an inspection of the German Army units (circa 1938), a Russian officers asked his German counter-part "Is this the largest tank you have?" after seeing a platoon of Pzkpw IVBs during a live fire exercise.

 

I don't think I follow Kevin?
I'm not sure which tank has been specifically destroyed to inspire the Panther?

If you mean T34's captured after destruction, and that the Panther really stands as any genuine sort of 'copy' of T34 then to my mind we'd have to be looking at the acceptance of the far more t34-esque Daimler VK3002 design, but that's not what was made. I can follow a case that Panther is sort of a bells and whistles T34 in inspiration, but the differences are too substantial to pin too much on that.

If you mean a Panzer IV being destroyed generated Panther, that doesn't really work for me either. They'd been getting smashed up for a while, and I'm not sure that can be linked so directly to the Panther's evolution.

Surely tank (or any other weapon since the rock) design has always been somewhat inspired by what the enemy, or potential enemy, is doing? The A7V for instance in WW1 was an, admittedly crude, attempt to match the British vehicles.

I may of course just be being dim though

Cheers, (and 'hello', by the way)
Adam.