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New look at Stalingrad

Discussion in 'Eastern Europe October 1939 to February 1943' started by Michael K Jones, Jun 2, 2007.

  1. Kai-Petri

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    ...not to forget to mention that the book also reveals how close Paulus was to beating the Stalingrad defenders by cutting their lifeline in a quite early phase of the battle of the city...

    Shows that the Gods of war can change their mind in a blink of an eye who to favor...

    In the long run that would have changed nothing though, I think.
     
  2. PzJgr

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    Did anybody finish this book? If so, how was it.
     
  3. JeffinMNUSA

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    PZ;
    Yes I finished it and it is a great read. The book is mostly focused on the men of the 62nd Army from a combat psychologist's view, and no these guys were not the faceless grey automatons as presented in the German accounts-or for that matter, the faceless Red Crusaders of the Soviet accounts. I understand that Michael K. Jones is finishing a new book on Leningrad that I will be ordering off Amazon as soon as it comes out.
    JeffinMNUSA
     
  4. Hawkerace

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    Will get it when it comes out
     
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    Thanks Jeff. Time to go shopping!
     
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    If you are communicating with a English person use their version. If speaking with a American then adapt to that form. This can be fun after some practice as you learn the subtle differences of the English of New Zealand, California, Yorkshire, Indiana, New South Wales, or New York.
     
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    Mike, hello, and congratulations, I'll be picking up the book ASAP.

    However I had a question. I am doing a very large diorama, 1/35th scale, about the battle for the central railway station.

    Are there any real good photos you have or have come across that show it before/during or soon after?

    I own a small publishing company called Multi-Man Publishing and we recently put out a second module to our Red Barricades/Stalingrad module for ASL and it centered on the railway station. I have some info from the guys that did the historical research but nothing great to work from.

    Also, as far as vehicles go, I am including a StuiG 33B, a wrecked T-34/76 42 and a Pz 38(t). Any issues with those vehicles in and around that area during this stage of the fight?
     
  8. TiredOldSoldier

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    As I don't have any pictures of the railway station area your guess is as good as mine and neither vehicle wound spoil my gaming with a "fantasy scenario" feel. The StuiG 33B feels right as Sturmgesch├╝tz-Abteilungen 177 and 244 at Stalingrad received the initial production batch in October. I have more issues with the Pz 38(t) as the main Pz 38(t) users where 7, 8, 12, 19 and 20 Panzer, none of which I believe were inside Stalingrad. Could be historical as the 8th was near Velikje Luki at the time missing a tank batallion "lent" to an AGS division though I don't know who was the receiving unit. If you want to avoid the obvious PzIIIh a PzIIIe or a Pz II would be better , I've seen pictures of 37mm armed PZIII in the Stalingrad area.
     
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    I'll definitely be getting this, along with some of Michael K Jones's other works, Leningrad - State Of Siege and The Retreaet - Hitler's First defeat. Amazon.com awaits :)
     
  10. Volga Boatman

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    I've not been privelaged enough to come across an actual copy of this book, but

    HATS OFF TO YOU SIR :)

    for taking the time and expense to re-appraise a subject as interesting and well documented as Stalingrad.
    Revisionism is no crime in my book, and I just love reading 'mythbusting' literature on this most important of conflicts. Where is my wallet?
     
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    Tiredoldsoldier...

    I used to play SQUAD LEADER in the old days, along with many other AH games.

    If only the computer revolution had been around when AH were still solvent, I would still have my hobby intact.

    Many happy memories I have from playing the best hobby for a person interested in military history money could buy. Keep it alive. I miss my old hobby terribly, and sites like this one are a good substitute for many happy hours spent rolling dice and pushing cardboard.

    F#%@ the Hasbro Corporation!

    Regards..Christopher
     

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