Permission to EXECUTE!

Originally Posted by Stefan
So what if in a couple of years time Obama wins the next election? At that point do you folks then admit that a. the polls were false and that people actually wanted his reforms and b. that actually you are in the minority and disagree with the 'will of the people?'

Yea, they sure do, don't they

P.S.
you must not feed the trolls, as they will become dependant on handouts from tourists and will loose their ability to forage for food.

 

Yes.....It was well done thanks. Misdirection and denial seems to be quite popular with the Left these days.

It was my mistake, I should have been more culturally sensitive, it's vinegar that some of you like with your words.

Funny, I thought it was Al Gore that said that

 

Thanks SM, I had forgotten this but it is very true, I'll take your advice and won't dignify this trolling with an answer. I'll return when someone has an intelligent response to my question rather than a meaningless dig.

 

So they are at it again!

The Dems are contemplating how to force through their idiotic 'health care reform' trash without the 60 vote super-majority. Perhaps they (and others) should start listening to what Americans are thinking about their government before they commit what could be their parties fatal mistake:

Poll: Most dissatisfied with how democracy works in U.S. - CNN.com

Survey: Most Americans believe government broken - CNN.com

Poll: Half say start anew on health care bill - CNN.com

I think it safe to say, it appears that the truth of the health care reform situation (and the much broader issue of public approval of the fed in general), are very close to the OP posit.

One thing I would like to see, is the American people start using the Internet to talk about the possible penalties that we might impose on the politicians if they do not start remembering who rules this country (the people...for those that didn't know).

For instance, as a gentle starting point, perhaps we could decide what corrective action to take against all three branches of the federal government for their failure to toss out the whole 'click-it or ticket' atrocity.

I mean, we will naturally toss out their health care reform bill (and hopefully every single politician that dares vote for it), but that is just getting rid of something new that they are trying to do that they have no authority to order (namely, ordering private American citizens to go out and buy some businessmen's product or service---in this case health insurance).

What I am more interested in seeing is if the dolts in congress manage to awaken the sleeping giant of public opinion, what will be the fate of all the extra-legal 'laws' they have been enacting? I mean, if the average American is finally waking up to the fact that government is broken and that for it to get fixed we are going to have to get up off our couches and do it ourselves, what then?

The order to go out and buy car insurance is just as extra-legal as the order to go out and buy health insurance, so perhaps this needs to go as well (I wouldn't want that to happen, mind you), but it stems from the same crooks (the insurance industry owners).

If the click-it or ticket is revisited by a public vote (and therefore found that the order was never legal/valid), what happens to the politicians that voted for it?

What happens to all the police officers that issued these bogus tickets?

What happens to all the judges that failed to throw out all these tickets?

And the biggie: whom do we make pay back all the money stolen from the American people under the guise of this organised crime, thinly veneered in trappings of "but it's for your own good"?

And what works for the 'click-it or ticket' tickets works just as well for the no insurance tickets. The people behind these three crimes (the insurance industry) must be held financially accountable for their actions. As there isn't any way to pay pack every citizen every dollar for every one of these wrongful tickets (and remember, there is no reason to not charge them interest and penalties on the money that was stolen from the public at their instigation), perhaps the American people should start discussing (publicly) the way the assents of these fine folks should be divided up upon their being sized. Not just the assets tied directly or indirectly to the insurance industries, but every penny these folks ever thought about having. After all, they have proven that they think it perfectly acceptable to steal money from the general public by bribing our representatives to enact laws (that they have no authority to enact), and thus force us to buy their auto insurance policies. Never mind that they decide what the policies will cover and what we will have to pay for them.

And then their was the click-it or ticket.
The American people sat still and allowed the insurance crooks to pull a second crime against us off when they sweet talked our representatives into passing 'a law for our own good' (read this as, greater profits for the insurance company owners due to fewer high value claims---supposedly), and we lost our right to decide for our selves whether to fasten a seat-belt (which can kill you or save you, depending) all so these fine folks could make more money. And of course, what was in it for the politicians, police, and courts---you guessed it: higher ticket revenues!!!

See a trend here?

So now, in what I fervently hope will be their last mistake, the greedy insurance folks are attempting to tighten the screws to every American once again by getting our illustrious representatives (read this as being spoke with ultimate sarcasm) into once again exceeding their authority by ordering us to go out and buy the insurance idiots product/services once again, and including once again the bit about tickets if you fail to obey the illegal order!

So now, what are we the people going to do to these fine folks that have repeatedly (and solely for the sake of their money grubbing ways), not only violated our rights, subverted our government, and undermined our very way of life? I say it's time to (at the very least) start publicly discussing taking everything from them!

What say you?

Have a nice day....

 

Ok, firstly, I had promised "Papa Smurf" that i'd keep it toned down a bit in these things but, I cant fully stay away from them.

That said, im not purposely skipping replying to anyone here and I had to reread alot of what was said here so I could make a general comment.

First, does it not seem kind of wierd, strange, unusual-or any other word you can think of that means what these mean) that when the full Republican PArty was left out of the formation and plannings of this "Health-care (Ponsie Scheme)" I find that in itself-a very curious and dubious thing. Also, for months and now over a year, the lead character for this """"""health-care reform"""""" has broken every promise it made to all Americans about allowing the Reps in on this thing and as well as not letting the average citizen to see what the hell those dems were talking about as well as something that we all will have to dig into our pockets for in order to help fund this GDmned monstrosity.

I for one, as a tax-paying citizen not only want but DEMAND access to all of the peliso, OLDD and reid healthcard reform info and such. Those SoBs work for us and they aint nothing special but, apparently not a one of them give a crap about what we think in any matter and ONLY they hav ethe correct answers to this thing. However, constantly these pieces of pig waste-are circumventing our Constitution, the average citizens rights and such and are trying to and unconstitutionally so) trying to force something down our throats that we do not want in the current fashion the bill is in-and since there has been so many GDmned changes to this fragging monstrosity-I doubt that reai and pelosi know what the hell is in this bill??????

Believe it or not? but years ago when reid first came onto the public scene-I actually liked the jerk, but today after everything this sneaky slimy back-stabbing lying jerk has done, has only made me not only quit liking him but to actually loathe him. I don't wish bad things to happen to him physically, but I do wish that this freak gets voted out of office as a lesson tought. MAYBE-just maybe, that might get him to start to "see the light" and error of his ways. Somehow, I doubt that will happen as this guuy is the perfecr candidate for blindly running into a minefield while under Machinegunfire.

This guy is nothing but an OLDD-puppet-and OLDD is having its fun playing with his new toy. OLDD cares not who will lose their (need I say it because it really isnt but) for lack of better words: Jobs-even tough they being elected into their position was not done so as acarreer job-unlike what it really was to some of these politicians who have been in office for decades.

Someone mentioned they wouldnt mind term limits-term limits is what we need-in order to see to it that these jerks are kept in line-and make them remember that THEY-work for US-the American Citizen-not the opposite.

I thinkthat what we recently saw that happened in Taxachuttsetts-is something were going to see much more of-when the next elections roll around in nov. I HOPE it is so-so that it will shake up not only al the dems-but republicans as well, and knock the lot of tem off their high-horses-like they need to be.

To continue with an earlier tought-about being suspecious of those meetings behind closed doors, in secret wnad with no repubs allowed to be involved, now-doesnt that seem to be a classic case of something to worr about-even if you dont like ro vote for repubs and such? I sure as hell see it as a very suspecious thing when ONLY oneside has a say-so in one of the mostt important things to happen to our great Country.

Now, im ure that reid and pelois both ahve seen the polls-Rasmussen is the most accurate and trusted of all pollsters out there. Rasmussen (and please dont ask me to quote figures and I do not wrinkle them into my brain and or to write them down but, that poll also has OLDDs side losing ground on support ofr this monstosity of a healthcare bill.

You would think that pelosi and reid would start to listen to what we are teling them and this invcludes OLDD as well, but yet they all STILL are trying and promising to ram this thing down our throats.

OK that said, and in which it only poves to me that these elitists, think that all of us commoners are nothing but stupid scumbags who have to be lead by the hand through this crap. We voters and taxpayers are nothing but Lemmings-cannon fodder-apparently. I for one take huge offense at this and if they want health care reform so much? then why dont that take things more slowly and thoroughly, and make more and clearer decisions about thigs as well as listening to inpu from outsiders-namely those who are not in the democratic party and the average American citizen whom they have completely forgotten that they work for.

Also, I do wish to see Insurance reform-but not only healthcare insurance but that of Auto insurance as well. All of these Washigton bastiches have been bought off by one company or another with the exception of a few new "faces" on the scene. I HOPE that the new Gov of Taxachuttsetts, will be one of the people who will set a much better example to us letting us know that not all politicians are evil as many of us think they are. Maybe there is some hope left ofr us after all?

Sorry for the rant but, I was asked to give some more input and did so. Anyway, the above is only a small part of what I wanted to say-and I dont know if I will say more but, that is how I see things based n what I hear, see and read.

 

Carl, you are certainly right about one thing, the need for open government. Meetings behind closed doors, information on major policy decisions being witheld, of these things democracy is not made!

That said, it is a toughie because at the same time most of us also want a bit of confidentiality in government, we don't want everything in the open and since whoever is in power gets to choose where the line is drawn, well, we can't win.

 

Well, a few things that I'd like to see the "gubment" open up on or enact changes on is as follows, in no order of preference of course;

1. all ufo files
2. the JFK assasination investigation
3. the real reason the Vietnam War drug on so long
4. who allowed disco to ever exist
5. the repeal of the 17th amendment to the US Constitution
6. privatising of the mail services
7. abolishment of the IRS
8. abolishment of the CIA, and to re-institute the OSS
9. the instituting of national service
10. speeding up the process of executing of prisoners on death row

Feel free to add your own ideas.

 

11.Why USA'S eat so much ice cream... is it addictive....Is it drugged?
12. Who shot JR really?
13. Who shot mr burns really?
14. Why do u2's still fly out of Lakenheath..

 

I thought that U2 had their own private jet?

 

15. Paras.....Is there a need??

 

Hmmm.. maybe I can be of help?

1. all ufo files UFO's don't exist - so no files, sorry
2. the JFK assasination investigation - I met him yesterday, and he asked me to say hello to everybody
3. the real reason the Vietnam War drug on so long $$$$$
4. who allowed disco to ever exist - the inventor of single's
5. the repeal of the 17th amendment to the US Constitution The only real political power is Congressional power
6. privatising of the mail services -didn't help Germany at all
7. abolishment of the IRS - already replaced by being a car owner
8. abolishment of the CIA, and to re-institute the OSS - Its now called Homeland Security
9. the instituting of national service - the average American is too fat, and has flat feet
10. speeding up the process of executing of prisoners on death row Those who could help are all serving in Iraq and Afghanistan

11. is there really a country called, You are gay?

Regards
Kruska

 

A short answer urqh, are paras needed - YES!!!! Better to have them and not need them than to need them and not have them. Besides, without the verticle envelopement capability, we'd have to install catapults on our landing craft to launch marines inland during invasions (that would give an entirely new meaning to "hit the beach", eh?). Envision "Monty Python and the Holy Grail", in particular the scene when the French were catapulting things out of the castle onto King Arthur and his men.

Funny Kruska, funny. Like I mentioned to urqh in the past, there are thousands of comedians out of work, and you want to get into stand-up comedy....

 

Re. Paras, not needed! We just launched the biggest airborne operation since god knows when (Korea probably though I don't know for sure) and there wasn't a para in sight! Not taking away from the bravery and fighting ability of our pink hatted friends but since their sole raison d'etre is airborne ops they are fairly obsolete.

I think Marines would be up for the catapult thing though!

 

Your pretty funny yourself for a para...I thought they just grunted. Or is that the noise on hitting ground.

 

Hello Stefan,

Airborne = Para's?? - hell no,

Air assault operation, in the Bundeswehr is termed (Luftlande Operation) and paratroopers sometimes are part of the air assault units, but not necessarily.
Airborne assault operation, tactically refers to paratroopers being deployed by parachute dropping. In the Bundeswehr this is termed (Fallschirmspringer Operation).

And the majority of the German airborne units do not wear parawings (they are meerly allowed to wear the bordeau beret of the airborne) since they are primarily used as air assault units.
The Para's do not recognize or refer to those air assault fellows as Para's (Fallschirmjaeger) but air assault soldiers.(Luftlandesoldat)

Regards
Kruska

 

Oh bite me all you non-airborne tank riding sheep herding and luftwaffing personnel you....I don't want to talk to youse no more, youse empty headed animal food trough wipers. I fart in your general direction. Your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries. You don't frighten me, you English and Bavarian pig dogs. Go and boil your bottoms, you sons of a silly persons. I blow my nose at you, and your so-called "Arthur King," and you and all your silly English K-nig-hts.

Now go and bring me back a shrubbery....

 

Ehmmm... are you talking to him?
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Regards
Kruska

 

Kruska, I get that but since we now can't afford to put PARAs through their jumps course, haven't got any planes to drop them from, haven't got any situations where dropping people out of a plane is more appropriate than just dropping them on the ground and generally don't need them, they are obsolete.

They once had a purpose, then they had generals covering their backs, hopefully now they will get cut down to size.

 

Well we still have six airborne brigade combat teams, four assigned to the 82nd Airborne Division, and two independant brigade combat teams. It doesn't seem that we are going to get rid of them any time soon. Yes, the last large airborne drops (2, both regimental in size) we had was in the Korean War. But the need for them is still there. The last large scale tank battles before Gulf War 1 was in WW2, and we have a lot of tanks. The last large scale amphibious operation was in Korea, and we still have a lot of Marines as well. The airmobile option is a great tool too, but is only effective if there is air-superiority and the opfor isn't well-eqipped with SAMs to knock the choppers down when they go by. What kind of superpower would we be without all the toys and tools of the trade?

 

You have to remember chaps....Stefan is cavalry....He doesnt want paras but he wants his horsey back....Got to get use out of those shiney spurs....They keep clanking on ground giving him away to Taliban while under cover..Fair upsets rest of patrol apparantly..