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  1. JCFalkenbergIII

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    I have read that in Greece,Poland and Lithuania for example that after being "Liberated" there were a few groups that still fought on. Except this time it was against the Allies that had come and "liberated" them along with their new governments. Were there any others that did the same thing in Asia? Were they just "Independence" and "Freedom fighter" groups, Communist or Anti-Communist? Did they just fight against the Soviets? What other reasons did they fight for?
     
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    Thoughts anyone? LOL
     
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    Phillipeans
     
  4. JCFalkenbergIII

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    And? What about the Phillipines?
     
  5. Vince Noir

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    Anti-Soviet formations fought the Red Army for many years after the war. Mainly it seems for nationalistic reasons, given that the Baltic States were invaded at the start of the war by the USSR.

    In the Far-East you have groups forming against colonialism and utilising communism as a uniting factor. The French and British fight several sharp conflicts in the Far East with France running into the Indo-China war against the Viet Minh. The British conduct various anti-insurgency operations but also maintain a policy of slowly running down the Empire and giving independance. So again... Nationalism seems the driving force brought on by the chaos of a world war.
     
  6. JCFalkenbergIII

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    Thats what it seems to be. With politcal idealogies going hand in hand in some instances to fan the flames..
     
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    Some Estonians kept fighting the Russians too. In Greece the Communists almost took over , but the allies prevented them from taking power.
     
  8. JCFalkenbergIII

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    This poster mentioned the Philippines. But did not expand on why or who. Could he perhaps have meant the Muslims? The Philippines were given thier independance as promised.
     
  9. hucks216

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    I believe that there were groups of Indonesians fighting against the British after the war, again fighting for a stop to colonial rule but as Indonesia was a Dutch colony they fought against the Allied power that had filled the 'vacuum' until the Dutch could re-establish their rule.
    And I can't remember where (may of been in Indo-China and, again, Indonesia) but didn't the British powers re-arm their Japanese prisoners and have them assist in keeping military law & order.
     
  10. razin

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    Practically anywhere the British were given administration duties they used Japanese troops primarily as support to the civilian authorities until sufficient European and Commonwealth troops could be brought in.

    This applied to Former Dutch areas such as Indonesia and French Indo-China and British colonial possesions such as Malaya where it may have inflamed the situation as the Chinese minority population were probably politicised by this, however having armed Japanese taking orders obediently from British/Australian Officers is much better than the annarchic alternative.
     
  11. JCFalkenbergIII

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    I had already touched on Indonesia in this thread,

    http://www.ww2f.com/war-pacific/22102-indonesian-national-revolution-allies-1945-a.html
     
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    Lithuanian Ressistance

    Lithuanian partisans - mostly civilian men, oftenly led by soldiers from Lithuanian army, sought to defend the independence of Lithuania during and after the Second World War.They were later arrested, transported to the prison, exiled, killed by regular Soviet Army or the NKVD(Narodny Komissariat Vnutrennikh Del or Peoples Commisariat for Internal Affairs) or they just "legalized"- came from underground.
    In Lithuania there were arrested 18 819 partisans during the period of 1944-1952, of whom 12 459 were underground sponsors. During the entire period of partisan war, in Lithuania there were 20 101 guerrilla killed (about half of them were 16-21 year olds). Historians say that in 1944 autumn there were about 12 thousands of Lithuanian partisans, in 1945 spring there were about 30 thousands of Lithuanian partisans, in 1946 summer there were 4,5 thousands Lithuanian partisans, in 1950 autumn there were about 1,2 thousands Lithuanian partisans.
    The fighting style
    Partisans campsites ( i didnt remember any other word but maybe it will do the trick) and bunkers(http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/4459/bunkeroflithpartisans.jpg) were installed in remote wooded or swampy areas. Bunkers were installed into farms were lived reliable people. There were bunkers even in the wells.
    Partisans were supported by Lithuanian rural and urban people, and also the Lithuanian Catholic church one or another way. Their years of fighting is one of the most dramatic and tragic episode of the Lithuanian history. Some of the russian historians tried to make this Lithuanian history episode to look like a civil war, but the main well organized partisan army enemy was the Red Armys divisions and because of that these years of fighting are guerrila warfare.
    The Beginning
    The partisans formed in 1944 summer when Lithuanian Freedom Army ( LLA , Lietuvos Laisvės Armija) organised an opposition to the Red Armys occupation, in which joined the Lithuanian soldiers, The Shooters (Šauliai), LAF ( Lithuanian activist front, Lietuvos aktyvistų frontas), VLIK (Chief Lithuanian Liberation Committee ,Vyriausiasis Lietuvos išlaisvinimo komitetas) activists, "Lietuvos Vietinė Rinktinė"( i dont know how to say in english but i have the german name -Litauische Sonderverbande) members and the exiled relatives ( I mean that their some relative got exiled so they joined the ressistance).Soviet propoganda tried to make the Lithuanian people not help the ressistance, they called the partisans - thiefs. And the militant groups that got formed to fight the ressistance and help the Red Army were called - The Nations defenders, which by the people were called stribai (that would be in english something like destroyers,exterminators but in the bad side).The Partisans got atacked by NKGB-MGB from the beginning, supported by general Vetrov divisions.They sent their spies to infiltrate the Partisans and destroy it from inside.



    oh shit... i just now noticed that this thread is about asian ressistance... srry :( but if u want i can continue to translate...
     
  13. marc780

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    Spain - republican rebels still fighting Franco after WW2 til about 1950.

    Vietnam - Japanese occupiers left, the French came right back and tried to dominate the country again. Almost immediately the Viet Minh sprung up to try to drive them out. The French wanted to hold on to their old colonial power as they had occupied it since the mid 19th century and it possessed a wealth of rice, and rubber trees. The Vietnamese wanted independence and fought the French off and on til Dien Bien Phu in 1954, after which the French pulled out. Before they did so they made the north sign a treaty that split the country in two, the communist north led by ho chi minh, and the nominally democratic south led by Diem. thus setting the stage for american involvement in Vietnam 20 years later.

    Palestine - the holocaust survivors were shipped there by the British starting in 1946. (The British had already occupied Palestine during WW1, in 1918, and had kept troops there in the interim).
    The British tried to keep the jews and palestinians apart and preserve some vestige of British colonial rule, not out of economic interest (Israel has no oil and not much else anyone would want) but to keep stability in the area. The Zionists managed to arm themselves and started an uprising against the British to drive them out, because they wanted an independent Israeli state. Seeing what was at stake for them (not much) and the cost of putting down the rebellion (too high) the British realized they should get out of this conflict and they did about 1947-8. Almost immediately surrounding Arab muslim nations were outraged at the new Jewish state in their midst attacked them. However they had underestimated the Jews, who were armed with a motley mix of WW2 weapons. The Jews had plenty of WW2 combat vets in their ranks as they came from almost every country in Europe and many had fought in the war whereas the Arabs had no combat experience. Despite being outnumbered the Jews repulsed the Arab armies who did not try again until 1956.
     
  14. JCFalkenbergIII

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    Just to point out that the Jews in Palestine were not under Axis occupation during the war so other then the European Jews who went there they were not technically "liberated" by the Allies.
     
  15. razin

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    Dup posting
     
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    The formation of what became the Hagana is somewhat complex. Before WW1 whilst under Turkish control Jews in Palestine formed an underground organisation called the Hashomer (roughly translates as Home Guard) to defend themselves against Arab bandits. During WW1 the British brought 2 Fusiler bat. made up of British Jewry -the 38th and 42nd Bat. These recruited local Jews and some U.S. Jews motivated by the novalty of a Jewish military force and these fought the Turks in Palestine.

    After WW1 the so called Jewish Legion was disbanded and the Local Jews returned home along with a small number of the British and U.S. men who stayed on. These trained men effectively took over Hashomer and turned it into the Hagana (defence in Hebrew). This struggled on as a semi-official Militia for the protection of Jewish settlement until 1938 an excentric British Officer Captain Charles Orde Wingate (Wingate was not a Jew but was a Evangelical Christian Zionist) got involved and made Hagana secret offensive "Night squads" into a formidable terror organisation. when WW2 broke out the Jewish National Council put their men at the call of the British and it eventually would number 27,000 men, who distinguished themselves in North Africa Syria and Italy, again on Demob these men formed the rump of the Hagana in the Post War period along with volunteers from all over the world, many ex servicemen others were refugees from Europe.

    The British actually imposed a quota on emigration to Palestine by European Jewry from the 1920s onward -even when Hitler came to power the quote did not substancially change, after WW2 the survivors of the camps were held in other DP camps until they were fit to return to their own homes- which was not really possible, they made there own way to Mediteranian ports and with the help of some former Jewish Brigade members and other sympathetic people were shipped to Palestine along with illegal arms shipments.

    If these ships were spotted by the British Blockade ships (and they mostly were) they were either turned back or diverted to Cyprus and the people interned until they could be returned to Europe some unfortunates got to Palestine only to be arrested on the beach an deported.

    Steve
     
  17. C.Evans

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    It's been indicated but not elaborated about-in Alexander Pyl'cyns book: Penalty Strike. He talks about being bewildered at the Poles having almost a hatred for the Russians-even though they just helped them get rid of the Germans.
     
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    Morning JC;
    The anti Red UPA of the Ukraine; MARTYROLOGY - Pantheon of Glory of Ukrainian People! A list of brave heroes, the warriors.
    I believe their heartbreaking cries for aid were heard in the West during their last stand in the 1950s. No aid was possible in the nuclear age.
    JeffinMNUSA
     
  19. JCFalkenbergIII

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    Im not LOL. Especially with the history between the two :rolleyes:. I think there is somewhat of a difference between the movements in Europe and the ones in Asia and the Pacific. Especially in regards to the old colonial powers coming back and trying to keep the status the same as before the war.
     
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    +1! LOL
     

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