Russian Navy "On Verge of Collapse"

No more than I can imagine "Russia fights for freedom and democracy."

 

http://www.newsweek.com/hackers-claim-leak-messages-between-kremlin-and-frances-front-national-319442

French media site Mediapart has reported that hackers have leaked thousands of texts and emails sent between the Kremlin and the French far-right party, the National Front.
According to French newspaper Le Monde, the hackers posted the messages on their website and many of the texts discuss Marine Le Pen, the leader of the National Front, and her support for the annexation of the Crimean peninsula, which occurred in March 2014.

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Hope for some more tasty messages to be leaked out...Seems like Kreml´s internet security is not doing its job...

 

Now, I will tell you the first half: i=[FONT='ｍｓ ゴシック']√[/FONT][FONT='ｍｓ ゴシック']-1 is definition of imaginary unit. [/FONT]

 

Thanks Holmes!

I knew that when I posted...

 

You're welcome Watson! I knew that you knew.
It is strange that also clever people let propaganda cloud their judgement.

 

I mostly don´t see that much of this "elevating"... cause I think most of it comes from the TV (and mainstream "news" sites too)...I don´t own a TV for 15 yrs or so. But I am often astonished when other people in the nets uncover the shit that our media reports (or even better some of it is outright laughable). When more time I need to dig for these rrrrriot girrrls lol I only remeber a topic about them in some forums where they showed some interesting pics from these (it was more porn lol). And I still don´t get the idea of these femen women that undressing in public is helping women cause...they want equality to men as far as I understand. But they are already for several years (in the west at least, maybe not in Arabia etc.)....

I also remember some of blowing up of these events (that the pussies were arrested or supressed by state) as if they were freedom fighters and evil state wants them behind bars...I guess it was the beginning of anti Russian propaganda and also with the olympics iirc. People told me that our reporters were mostly poking at Russian mistakes and/or incompetence at that event. But I didn´t see it, not so interested in sports (except a bit football...)

Disclaimer: TV has some really good comedy I must admit But I can watch it at youtube So not everything is as bad as I may paint it here..

 

Well who cares, France is a free country right, or are you alleging that French polliticians are not allowed to write and exchange e-mails with the Kremlin ? Strange seems the "west" is more and more turned to censorship...we saw that coming years ago tho.

Even more strange why would a far right party (which is a term to only paint them bad btw.) even talk with the "commies".....

 

I can imagine they "fight" for their interests tho. If democrazy is one them I don´t know. What I know is that eg. the US certainly doesn´t fight for it, cause they don´t have it in the first place at home
Except you call the rule of the rich, banksters and big corporations democracy....like most of the EU it is more a plutocracy imho. Well we had some traces of democracy still in the 80ties and 9ßties I believe. Every party (with a few exceptions) does the same shit for the same interests it seems the last years.

 

Brilliant! I knew that we are Brothers in Minds.

Im out of salutes, but I will salute your post tomorrow.

 

Read the article...

If Putin "gave" me 9 million Euros, I'd blow sunshine and rainbows up his butt too.

 

So can I, as all nations do. Even Tamino's Saudi Arabia...they have been doing it with Yemen for decades. Can't say that I ever remember Saudi relations with Yemen as being, as Tamino snidely commented, ""Saudi Arabia fights for freedom and democracy". IIRC, for that matter Saudi-Yemeni relations were hardly ever considered "newsworthy" for a long time - continuing to the present day.

Very Good! You are somewhat familiar with US history and the US Constitution...

The US Constitution, Article 4 Section 4

The United States Pledge of Alligence
Original 1892 version

The version we have today, as set fourth by President Eisenhower in 1955, as prescribed in U.S. Code, Title 4, Chapter 1, Section 4

The United States is a Constitutional Republic...Not a Democracy. So, Yes, we do not have Democracy at home.

OK...I take back what I said about you being familiar with US history.

Who do you think got to vote back in the early beginnings? Everyone? Au contraire mon frere.

By 1776, Connecticut, Delaware, Maryland, North Carolina, and Rhode Island, all had property qualifications to vote. Virginia had a property qualification for white males, New Jersey had a financial worth qualification for white males & females, and Pennsylvania had a taxpaying qualification for white & free african american males. In 1777, New York added a property qualification for white & free african american males, and Georgia had a financial worth & property qualification for white males - the money and property clause could be bypassed if the white male was "being of the mechanic trade." In 1778, South Carolina established a property or taxpaying qualification for white males. in 1780, Massachusetts established a property or taxpaying qualification for white or free african american males. Of course, there were no "big corporations" back then.

Further, as the less wealthy are far more numerous than the wealthy, who do you think is giving the power to these "rich, banksters and big corporations"? Then, you have to ask yourself, why is voter turnout averages so low during Presidential election years(IIRC about 55% average), and even lower in the "off year" elections(about 40%). The low voter turnout could be construed that the majority of the Americans are happy with the status quo - as they do not care to vote.

 

Now but wait for the next load of leaked messages....

And why would Kreml send money and exchange e-mails with right wing?

 

Well I thought ur also more right wing, tbh. So you don´t like Marine Le Pen ? Why is that ? Shouldn´t she be on your line ? Now her party communicates with Russia and you cry out at them lol
(you said something about lefties in your country which you don´t seem to like, so assume the more right direction of yours).

Once again, they can do what they want as long it is legal. Case closed. All other bubble is only press whore propaganda. What is your problem with 2 parties from 2 different counties talking ?

 

I know that the US is a republic, but some of your leaders talk of democracy. So they don´t seem to know what they are talking about (bring democracy to Iraq and other bullshit). But this is too expected as most politicians are mere puppets anyway and often not very clever ones. Others often behind the scene tho are more clever (to push their own agenda)

Low votes reasons a) what you said they are happy with status quo B) they got tired of voting at all as nothing chances anyway or get´s worse when they vote. Another point is that it seems parties who acually want to do something other than keeping status quo can not be seen or getting corrupted even if they seem an alternative before (here the greens, as well the pirates were prime examples.. we have now the AFD which also became whores as it seems). I only know US parties reps and dems, so I don´t know what you have to chose from otherwise. But these both seem to be more or less the same. Maybe Obama is a bit less outspoken than Bush, but largely follows the same politics it seems (at least what we outsiders see after a while - maybe he made his big CHANCE inland only don´t know)

Also your sentence "giving power....etc." seems quite naive... 1. they have the power already 2. they don´t care who is in office because politicians are often pre-selected..people who are not to expected to oppose their agendas. What happened to the last honest president of yours ? He made way to many enemies and thought he could chance something.....got murdered right?

 

Well well, isn´t Russia such a bad dictatorship that threatens and jails journalists ? (I heard on this board).

Seems the US isn´t much different:

http://www.n24.de/n24/Nachrichten/Politik/d/5254420/-wurden-nicht-brutal-aber-rauh-behandelt-.html

"
Vorwürfe "völlig absurd"
"Die Polizei wollte verhindern, dass wir unseren Auftrag, über die Vorgänge in Ferguson zu recherchieren, erfüllen können", sagte Graw der "Welt". "Das ist eine eklatante Verletzung der Pressefreiheit." Herrmann bezeichnete die Vorwürfe als "völlig absurd". Offenkundig sollten Reporter in Ferguson eingeschüchtert und von ihrer Arbeit abgehalten werden."

Die Fotoagentur Getty Images teilte am Montag ebenfalls mit, dass einer ihrer Fotografen in der von Unruhen erschütterten Kleinstadt festgenommen worden sei. Scott Olson wurde demnach in Gewahrsam genommen, als er Bilder von einer Demonstration aufnahm. Zu den Gründen der Festnahme machte sein Arbeitgeber keine Angaben.

ie Reporter wurden in ein Gefängnis in St. Louis gebracht und nach drei Stunden wieder freigelassen. "Es wurde uns keine körperliche Gewalt angetan. Den Polizisten, der die Verhaftung anordnete, fragten wir nach seinem Namen. Er antwortete mit Donald Duck. Ich sagte daraufhin, mir sei die Ähnlichkeit gleich aufgefallen, daraufhin wurden unsere Handfesseln noch enger gezogen. Wir wurden nicht brutal behandelt, aber rauh war es schon", berichtete Graw.


Land of the free lol


Oh and this bit (torture is ok for the US right?).

http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/guantanamo-gefangene-von-waerterinnen-zum-sex-gezwungen-a-1013936.html


"amburg - Seit mehr als zwölf Jahren dauert das Martyrium des Mohamedou Ould Slahi an. Er ist Gefangener Nummer 760 im US-Gefangenenlager Guantanamo. Im November 2001 wurde der Mann in seinem Heimatland Mauretanien festgenommen. Die Behörden übergaben ihn nach wenigen Tagen an US-Beamte. Die flogen ihn erst nach Jordanien und brachten ihn im Juli 2002 in ein Lager in Afghanistan. Einen Monat später landete er in Guantanamo.


Dort sitzt Slahi noch immer, obwohl es bis heute keine offizielle Anklage gegen den Mauretanier gegeben hat. 2010 urteilte ein Richter, dass dem heute 44-Jährigen keine Unterstützung der 9/11-Attentäter nachgewiesen werden könne. Trotzdem sitzt der Mann nach wie vor in Guantanamo ein."


Land of torture.

 

Talking=sending money? Or sending soldiers....

 

Mind giving us a few English quotes or links to English versions? So far I'm less than impressed with either your sources or your comprehension of them.

In regards to 1 when you base your propaganda on truth it is stronger. Of course when we get a lot of our info from independent sources it's not at all clear that propganda is the correct useage. Still beets the Soviet Russian "Big Lie" propaganda, especially in the long term. Which given Putin's recent tendency to reverse himself isn't even all that long.

As for this one is it a deliberate attempt to confuse the issue or just inadvertant? In any case I'll respond.

What does the article say? Is their an English language version of it? Is this another case of the "ban Russian" type law that wouldn't have banned Russian and was never a law in any case? Without more info I'm not going to make any judgement as to which is more serious. However this is rather irrelevant to the topic at hand. The whole reason for bringing the media into it is that the Russian control of most of the media in Russia means that it is essentially a single source and one that is tightly controled by the state which brings its reliability into question.

Looks like another attempt to cloud the issue and/or redirect the topic away from Russias illegal and imoral actions.

It may or may not be illegal for them to accept money from Russia, simply exchanging emails wouldn't be though. However it brings to quesiton whether or not any show of support by them for Russia is based on moral grounds or whether it is simply based on self interest (real and/or political capital). Indeed that it's a right wing party suggest that the latter is indeed the case, so it's defintily worth bringing to our attention.

Don't they teach logic in German schools? Or did you fail that class? Or possibly forget how to use it? Or just not care?

Actually in referenct to your first sentence we don't. In regards to the last couple it rather depends on how you define Democracy. Certainly in the classical sense it's not very present but then in the classical sense it would hardly work about the village level. If it means that citizens control their own government (i.e. includes representative Republics as Democracies) which is how the word is currently used then there is indeed Democracy in both the US and Europe. Certainly more than there is in Russia.

Indeed they can do "as they want as long as it is legal" in one sense. But doing so in violation of their platform and/or philosophical stance rather undermines their credibility doens't it? Are you trying to close off discussion of this because you find it embarassing that the Russians are trying to buy support wherever they can?

In case you hadn't realized it this is an English language board. Producing links and quotes in a language other than English is of marginal utility and rather rude. If you look at the relative ratings with regards to freedom of the press in the US and Russia however you will see that the US is ranked a lot better and that some of the things that they are marked down for aren't all that bad.

No idea what the torture article is about. Again your track record with sources and the comprehension of the same is somewhat lacking at least on this board.

 

I found an English language article that may address what you are talking about. If so the above is very misleading. See:
http://mashable.com/2015/04/02/ukraine-ban-russian-films/?utm_cid=mash-com-Tw-main-link

 

Since this article actually has a title that coinsides with the title of this thread I'm puting it in its own post:
http://theweek.com/articles/545980/russian-navy-verge-collapse

 

We have been discussing the US politics, attack of Iraq etc etc. Seems like Bundesluftwaffe you cannot read even if I served it on a silver plate to you. And Le Pen will take the money and nothing else, but you never seem to get my message in the posting. You don´t even recall what I said about the lefties in 1939 and it had nothing to do with liking them or not, interestingly enough I seem to be considered more leftie than rightie here, but as you cannot read I can understand your problem because you say I am a le Pen "fan". You know what they say about people who create the world to their liking...and penicillin won´t cure it....Just a hint for you to get yourself an appointment time...