Sherman Vs. Panzer

Oh, sorry!

The Sherman "benefitted" (some say it didn't work very well) from added protection in the form of logs as you say, sandbags held up by miscellaneous "cages", so to speak, pieces of armour recovered from other tanks and welded in place, etc.

I know this is a model but the pics are rather clear for the effect intended. Here is the good old Airfix Sherman

 

IIRC even poured concrete was used.

 

You want to be a badass, right?

Well, here you have another one...:

The Badass of the Week: The PzKpfw V Panther Tank

RAM

 

Hahahahaha, good one RAM !!

 

I could go on all night about that article, but I'll save my fingers and go to bed.


OK, I'll admit that I made the bit up about the PzKpfw IV's gun decreasing mobility, but it DID make it to forward-heavy. And that's a fact.
I just wanted to say something in offense of the Panzers.
And I go back on my statement on post 1942 panzers, I should have said this;
"IMHO, all post-1942 Panzers (except the Panther) where defensive."

 

Ok, that's your opinion, but opinions are like airsoles and your opinion in this particular matter is bovine excrement and you should know it. How do you tell an offensive from a defensive tank? Is this American Football or what?

How does the same offensive 1942 Pz VI turn into a defensive Pz VI in 1943?

 

No, the Panther wasn't just designed for defensive warfare, it was designed by evil genius German engineers to ensure the maximum amount of maintenance and downtime possible! Nothing was too complex or delicate that it couldn't be included in the design!

 

I would consider them good German engineers as they helped the Allied War effort.

Alright Alright! I give up!

 

Where is listed anywhere a Panzer V or Panzer VI where designed as a defensive weapon, please include sources...

Panther fronter armor, used to be offensive, and spearhead advances..

Armour on a Panzer VI

 

What problems and which components are you thinking of in particular?

Regards
RAM

 

My source = 101 things to do with Human Urine.


For God's sake can we just shut up about my opinion?

 

LOL. I don't think they will Joe.

 

Transmission (weak cluches and gears that frequently failed), engine (overstressed, engine fires, cooling problems), interleaved suspension (prone to jamming with mud and rocks, difficult to work on, road wheels overstressed), hull (poor welds that often split, quality of armor used was not consistent), main gun (prone to jamming in recoil), track layout (requires frequent adjustment of tension, prone to pin failure / not long lived), layout of maintenance accesses (poor and complex. Requires considerable effort to get a major components).
The list is long. The Panther might have been a very dangerous opponet during the half the time that it was running but, it was just too complicated and poorly engineered from a reliability and maintainability point of view for hard use in wartime conditions.

 

Shall I bring up the battle tank argument, or the more recent unfinished light recon tank discussion, to try and sway it away from your opinion?

 

Well it would be more fun than engaging in a conversation with the thread starter, but I doubt they will ever be concluded.



Or will they.... :evil2: heheheheh...

 

I just noticed the original thread from long ago. The title of the thread says Sherman Vs Panzer, but he asks about the Sherman Vs the Panzer IV not the Panzer V. Was that a typo or lack of knowledge on his part?

Joe. Maybe we should just leave them all alone and start something new and exciting

 

I think it's just people referring to all German tanks as a "Panzer", which is correct, really.
BUT, with his title, he means "Sherman vs Tank", which has no meaning at all.

Ok then, how about tactics on CoH?

 

I have seen a similar named thread on another site. I think it is just a lack of knowledge of the term "Panzer".

 

o.k gents.i seen pictures of stugs with gert slabs of armour on the sides maybe a foot away from the sides.the same as mk4 panzers.did any shermans get the same.lee.

 

You mean the armoured skirts used to denonate incoming shells?

Acutally didn't you already ask that question somewhere else, and you got the answer with a picture of a sherman with logs and track pieces on the side of the tank?