Shermans and Tigers

http://www.vmi.edu/archives/Civil_War/rosterhp.html

Patton Cadets at New Market..

 

Please, Stonewall, is any of this relevant? Could you please clarify what point you are trying to make, perhaps argue by yourself for a little while instead of just quoting sources? I'm completely lost.

 

>I'm not suggesting that Patton's advance was slow (until he got stuck into the actual fighting, after which I would argue that his advance was tediously and tragically slow).

During the Winchester - Romney campaign Patton's hero, Stonewall, only made one major carreer mistake, forcing a long winter night march into mountainous territory and immediately attacking at Christmas against an unknown enemy.


>Interestingly, one of it's brigade commanders - until mortally wounded at Winchester - was Colonel George S. Patton, grandfather of the World War II general.


Hence, the delay until the 26th at Bastonge in 1944.

Completely understandable considering the advice given to him by the 4th armored commander and orders by Bradley in 1944..

Too much history in the mans psyche..

 

Attacks did commence, on December 22nd. The four days up to the 26th were spent fighting through a single inexperienced German FJ division.

 

link?

That certainly does jive with the dozens of books I have read on Patton and his life and I know of few that know as much about old Stonewalls #1 prodigy than I.

I would be curious to learn...

http://www.thehistorynet.com/wwii/blbas ... ndex3.html

 

John Toland, "Battle: the Battle of the Bulge" (1963)
Robin Cross, "The Battle of the Bulge 1944" (2004)
I'm sorry I can't refer to the exact pages because I posess only translations of these books.

From http://www.army.mil/cmh/brochures/ardennes/aral.htm :
"Jumping off as promised on 22 December some 12 to 15 miles south of Bastogne, III Corps divisions achieved neither the surprise nor momentum that Bradley and Patton had hoped."

 

I don't know much about the western front but I've always suspected
patton of playing up his crazy character , when in fact he was a cold
rational no nonsense fighter .
but jackson Was insane !

 

well with all those airborne troops wathcing Patton surprise was difficult.

 

there is a story ? , rumor ?, legend ? of Patton having seized a train
loaded with champagne , making an open offer to french black marketer
of one bottle of champ for one littler of petrol

 

(just a question : where do the names Sherman and Tiger come from ?)

 

The Sherman is named after a famous US General, Tecumseh (sic?) Sherman. This was, and still is, a tradition among US tanks - they are still named after famous generals.

I am not sure who came up with the name Tiger, but several German AFVs (Tiger, Bengal Tiger, Panther, etc.) were named after big cats (panthera I believe the name is), a tradition that is also continued today with the Leopard 2A6.

 

Sherman is an unofficial name in the US. It originates from General Sherman, a Civil War general.

Tiger would come from the list of pre-approved suggestive names made by the Germans.

 

The American general's name was William Tecumseh Sherman. "Sic" is Latin and means "yes" or "literally", which seems out of place when checking on your spelling.

I remember Christian stating somewhere that the Tiger II was never called "Königstiger" or "Royal Tiger" or anything like that by the Germans themselves. Instead it was called the PzKpfw VI B "Tiger II".

 

Suggestive names and roman numerrals weren't used together.

It should be Pz.Kpfw.Tiger Ausf.B (with the suggestive name Tiger II).

 

a soviet self propelled gun , 152 / on a KV chassis was nicknamed
the beast master , (incorectlly translated sometime as masterful beast )
for it's ability to take on panthers , tigers , elephanrts ,
rhino ,brown bears and pumas .

 

Its main problem was that it didn't have as powerful penetration as e.g. the 8,8 cm Kw K 43.

 

The only example of this that I know is the KV-2. The most famous Russian self-propelled guns weren't built on the KV chassis but rather used the more streamlined chassis of the JS series tanks. In this case I think you are referring to the ISU-152.

 

The first AFV to use the 152mm other than the KV2 was not on an IS chassis but on a modified KV chasis. I believe it went under the designation of SU-152 at first.

 

It's formidable HE shell made up for that IMO... it was designed primarily as a infantry support weapon, not a tank buster.

 

What's "AFV"?