Tarantino's take on WWII draws fire in Germany

Right, you can't watch violence so don't watch the film. It's fairly simple and the same logic goes for people who (though they may not have PTSD as in your case) simply don't like violence, don't enjoy Tarrantino and so on. I'm glad to see you have a very mature attitude to the situation.

It does make me laugh when people complain about violence in war movies, isn't that rather like complaining about sex being portrayed in porn?

As Otto said, nobody has seen the film yet to know what it is like. If it is a standard Tarrantino blood bath I should imagine it is more in the mold of Pulp Fiction or Reservoir Dogs, in otherwise portrays violence in a fairly realistic if not necessarily sensitive manner. But hey, war is a fairly distasteful subject, maybe if this production actually portrays the violence of war vividly and accurately it will help to put an end to some of the 'war is so cool' feeling that runs through society. Too much to hope I guess but oh well.

 

Dudester's axiom=fed garbage long enough, people will develop a taste for it.

Again Dark Ice, I don't know your background, but you seem to love war quite a bit. Let me give you the view from a vet who has been shot at-it's not fun. The bullets start flying and the world becomes surrealistic. You're feeling fear, and excitement, and a degree of awareness unlike any other. And then, suddenly the shooting stops, but it takes a while to come down, and then you see the carnage, and you fight the bile rising up in your throat. You try to pretend it doesn't affect you, but it does, in ways you can't begin to imagine.

Weeks, months, years later, you have nightmares. You can't handle loud noises. When some drunken neighbor wakes you from a deep sleep at midnight by setting off a string of firecrackers, the first thing you do is hit the floor because you think you're being shot at. Then, it takes about thirty seconds for reality to sink in, and anger takes over. Because you live in a civilized soiety, you have to resist the urge to knock the **** out of that extremely inconsiderate neighbor who is just expressing himself.

Dark Ice, I have walked the walk, and therefore I can talk the talk. Since you seem to love violence so very much, why don't you join the military and put in a tour or two in Iraq/Afghanistan. If you did, perhaps you would be more respectful to those who don't like violence and don't want to see it because they have had their fill for this lifetime and the next. But sitting on your couch, hiding behind the first amendment, you're secure.

BTW, you are welcome for the freedoms that me and others gave to you by serving.

 

I respect your service sir but don't try to say that every vet feels the same way you do. For instance I know some Vietnam vets and WWII vets who commend Spielberg for making Saving Private Ryan and showing the horrors of war. Same goes with We Were Soldiers, finally a Vietnam movie came out which honored those who fought and died for their country. Don't say these films shouldn't have been made. It's your opinion to call 'The Matrix' garbarge, it is one of the most popular science fiction films ever made, -the sequels were garbage. Oh so I need to be in a combat zone in-order to watch a violent war movie? wow. I have repeatedly said I respect your opinion about violence sir so why don't you respect mine? even though I don't expect you to.

 

Hello Otto,

sorry but you really force me to forward the following to you:

I'm particularly puzzled by your comparison that the Iraqi government would fund a film about Americans avenging 9/11. Are you trying to imply that the US government is funding Tarantino's film?

But the German government is funding it, so that wouldn't puzzle you?

I'll say it again, it's just a film. If films such as the above mentioned inflames you to rage. then I suspect the problem isn't with the film.

The problem is never a film or movie, it is the message that is constructed out of a movie and the people who watch it. Its like a gun, the gun isnt dangerous its the people who can make use of it in which ever way they want.

And to place movies such as Schindlers List, Great Escape, Pearl Harbor, Save Privat Ryan, Kelly's Heros etc. etc. on the same level as a Tarantino movie (known for extreme senseless violence) with leaking details such as American jewish soldiers scalping German soldiers.....well .

Anyway I will be looking forward to a movie, were German SS veterans will go to New York's jewish quarter, turning it into a bloodbath and the US government will subsidise the production of this Tarentino movie.

Off course this movie will have no negative effect -its just a movie not history. And if you don't like it, well then you are narrow minded, afterall Save Privat Ryan also has bloody scenes, so just don't watch it.

Come on please

Regards
Kruska

 

Hello Otto,

quote from Falkensberg 1st Post:

More potential fuel for the fire: Tarantino's pulp fiction version of German history will almost certainly get German state financing. Germany's DFFF film fund gives automatic tax breaks for local shoots, and "Bastards" is set to shoot almost entirely in Studio Babelsberg outside Berlin.
"I don't see how it should not be eligible for DFFF money," said Kirsten Niehuus, director of the Berlin-Brandenburg regional film fund.

BTW it mentions German History - not fantasy movie, was Raiders of the lost Ark a movie based on German History?

And I found Dusk till Dawn a great movie, but it wasn't based on history, neither was any other Tarentino movie.

This time I truly rest my case.

Regards
Kruska

 

Tarantino is not what I call a good director. It is clear people lap up violences and hes just cashing in on the general public who can not get enough of it. As for this film, I would like to see the final pre-production script before it goes into production but of course that would not be possible so you don't really know how this film will pan out.

So in the cold light of day you can only pass a critic comment when the film is complete and you have seen it.

 

Hello Otto,
Aaarrrgh

I never said the German government is paying for it, I said they are subsidising/funding it - namely through the DIIF Fund which consists of 60 million Euros TAXPAYER MONEY and it is NO TAX CUT it is a GRANT

A German production company produces a feature film

1st calculation example:
Production costs: 4 million euros
German production costs: 4 million euros
Approved German production costs: 3.5 million euros
Upper limit: 3.2 million euros (= 80 % of the production costs)
Calculation threshold:
(upper limit) 3.2 million euros
Grant: 640,000 euros (= 20% of the upper limit)

In English:
DFFF

And how bad things go without movie goers having a license is when they state that "Raiders" was Spielbergs take on "German history".

What the Hell does Raiders have to do with German History???? about as much as Arnolds Predetor with American History.

Regards
Kruska

 

Hello Otto,

The Coca Cola I had last week was exactly the same as today

Regards
Kruska

 

I would still like a response Lias_Co_Pilot.


I respect your service sir but don't try to say that every vet feels the same way you do. For instance I know some Vietnam vets and WWII vets who commend Spielberg for making Saving Private Ryan and showing the horrors of war. Same goes with We Were Soldiers, finally a Vietnam movie came out which honored those who fought and died for their country. Don't say these films shouldn't have been made. It's your opinion to call 'The Matrix' garbarge, it is one of the most popular science fiction films ever made, -the sequels were garbage. Oh so I need to be in a combat zone in-order to watch a violent war movie? wow. I have repeatedly said I respect your opinion about violence sir so why don't you respect mine? even though I don't expect you to.

 

You know, you just don't get it. You're like the guy who talks endlessly about beer in front of an alcoholic. You're like the guy who talks endlessly about sex in front of a longtime (repeat) rape victim. You're about as sensitive as a brick.

As I've said earlier here, I think the stuff you love so much should be sold only in select adult novelty shops, although I'm beginning to suspect that you're not old enough to get in one of those places.

There was a time (1939-1979) when quality war movies were made. They didn't have graphic violence. They were intelligent movies. They were able to tell a story without seeing someone blown into pieces, or tortured to death. The difference between the movies I like and the ones you like is like comparing a Lafayette Rothchild 1961 champagne to Coors beer. You like the junk, I prefer the quality.

We can only agree to disagree. When you get older, perhaps you'll grow some wisdom and sensitivity.

 

completely agree with you Otto, I won't say anymore on this subject.

 

And it had Bridget Fonda in it!

 

I've seen all the movies you list above and don't like any of them with the exception of the Harrison Ford vehicles. Heres why:

The Boys From Brazil-though it's top actors are favorites of mine (Gregory Peck for example) I hated seeing Peck in such a crappy role. I also thought the film was prety boring too.

I initially like SPR, but then it seems as if everytime I rewatch it, I like it less and less. Some dislikes I have for it are the needless gore you see when soldiers get shot or blown apart. I "got-the-meaning-of-the-message" without HAVING to see a GI walking around on the beach carrying his blown-off arm, or that scene where one of the GIs shoots a GErman with his Tommygun-though you don't see the German but, you see a vast amount of his blood spill on the floor. I liked the storyline and most of the action scenes, but there was also too much senseless bad language used. I don't mind some bad language but-not saying something every other word said.

I thought Hellboy, sucked more than Prune Pits. Stupid story with stupid premise. This movie was as bad if not worse, than SS-Doomstrooper was.

I'll most likely see Valkerie, but I doubt i'll be beraking my neck and wallet, to go see Bastards.

Give me an old classic war movie any time and anyday-over any of the above.