The European Union

No country has dropped its pants and bent over for China more than the UK. It is a toss-up if we are more in hoc to Russian gangsters or Chines billionaires. The UK Banking industry is renowned world-wide as the place to launder ill gotten gains.
The very idea we could lecture the EU is comical!

 

We had both long before we joined the EU.

 

A few years ago the firm I worked for decided it wanted to force everyone to work 12 hour shifts. The only thing that stopped it was The Working Time Directive. The firm managed to 'scare' a lot of workers into accepting the new terms. The people who refused were subjected to threats but at the end of the day it was the EU law that saved the day.

I also know from personal experience how the EU Laws prevent firms cheating workers out of Holiday pay.
We had a student working with us who was injured at work in November (firms fault for unsafe equipment) and she was off sick until Feb the next year. When she tried to get her Christmas Holiday Pay (2 full weeks) the firm refused as she was not at work. There was EU Law ruling that made this illegal (Stringer v HM Revenue and Customs sub nom Commissioners of Inland Revenue v Ainsworth; Schultz-Hoff v Deutsche Rentenversicherung Bund 2009) and she got her money.

 

Indeed. But that was not a point of contention, was it? The point was, there are forces trying to erode these hard won rights. You know best what forces exist in the UK both pro and con, and their respective strengths.

Leaving the EU, makes it easier for those seeking to attack these rights. The result is of course not a foregone conclusion. Let's see how the negotiations go first. Until they are completed, there won't be any changes.

 

Thank you for highlighting 2 excellent reasons why we need to be rid of the EU. If a company wants 12 hour shifts so be it, live with it or move on. As for the stupidity of qualifying for holiday pay whilst on sick - how can you take a holiday when not working? Barmy!

Any more good examples?

 

So you believe a firm should be able to force people to work any shift pattern(why not 60 hours a week?) it sees fit and that a person who earns holiday pay for 11 months of the year should have it all taken away if the firms negligence puts you in hospital in month 12.
You remind me of the promise of an extra £350 million a week for the NHS the Brexiters promised only for Nigel to admit it was a lie the day after.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0ktojE6WQA

 

Greece, ECB, German bought foreign bonds making for solidarity in the face of Article 125 of the Lisbon Treaty which EU law says each country has responsibility over its own finances, not the EU; which means all bailouts by Germany are illegal.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OafqVVmVQHI

 

And they also existed before we joined the EU, but were kept in check by the likes of ACAS-
http://www.acas.org.uk/?articleid=1400

All this didn't magically appear the day after the referendum.

 

The present Government has been steadily eroding Workers Rights over the last decade. The idea that the Brexiters want to increase workers rights is laughable when (for example) the last but one UKIP Manifesto proposed to do away with the minimum Wage and all employment Law on Terms & Conditions and make it possible for employers to impose any conditions they saw fit on new employees.
Given that nearly all Brexiters live on the extreme Right they have no intention of making life easier for the ordinary working man. They just lack the courage to come out and say it.
If in any doubt these people will promise anything with no intention of actually doing it here again is the biggest most cynical political lie of the latest century

 

Ah yes...Greece..............I remember that. Was that not the the time all the rabid anti-EU obsessives were gleefully predicting the imminent break up of the EU and the total collapse of the Euro. Were not the same obsessives in paroxysms of ecstacy as they eagerly looked forward to the whole 'rotten eddifice' come tumbling down?

When did it collapse by the way?
It was not in any newspapers I was reading.

How much stronger than the Euro is the pound. Must be quite a bit by now after the EU collapsed over Greece...............

 

UKIP after Brexit should be disbanded and made obsolete because UKIP is based on an independent UK out EU control, nothing else.

It's was the UK Tory party that handled all of Brexit; the referendum, both sides of the debate, what to do with the result, all in house, not UKIP.
UKIP have never held any real seat of power.

It was a 2 party race in the UK, but now Labour seems to have shot itself.
UKIP were never in the race for Downing Street despite all their pomp and ceremony.

 

Nice way of ignoring it is Boris stood in front of a Brexit Slogan that was comprehensively ditched 1 second after the referendum result.

 

Where was it suggested that it 'magically appeared'???? Please read what was written. Let's see where the average worker stands in 5 to 10 years.

The point is, the powers that wish to erode these rights remain just as powerful, with the same access to opinion shaping capital and media, but organisations such as ACAS, are weakened by a BREXIT, as any reference to the rights of EU citizens is deligitimised.

Once again, as previously stated, it is a risk. A potential outcome. Not a certainty. Not a given. But you seem to be denying the increased risk, based on some fear that this denigrates British institutions. Of course not. At the same time, you appear to be denying the influence the EU has had, across the EU.

 

And you seem to think you're some kind of mindreader or seer, and that you're the only one allowed to have an opinion.
Is "denier" the latest insult for those who refuse to toe the chattering class line on Europe? Where have I heard that before...?

 

No. Nothing can replace Cameron's quote about UKIP and the obsessive Brexiters............Fruitcakes loonies and closet racists.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ph3UUMW7pCE

 

Can you please point out where i have denied you an opinion? Or even attempted to invalidate your opinion? Do you know where I stand on Brexit? Apparently it is impossible to even raise a risk without incurring your ire.

Or where i have misinterpreted your intent?

I'm sorry if I thought certain information was too obvious to require stating. Such as the UK having ACAS since tine immemorial. That you elect to attack me, instead of addressing the issue, is sadly the norm on this board now.

 

I don't see how the former lead to the latter. Care to explain.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_bailout_referendum,_2015
Germany shouldn't bail out anyone, Germany could only ever get a say if the party in receipt of the credit and can afford it and agree to it.
True austerity measures were a way to make this affordable in Greece, but the Greek people voted against it.
Germany giving credit out is invalid as these credits were used to prop up other countries.
Countries which now Germany has an invested interest in.

 

Thou art waxing incoherent.
If a friend over extends himself there's nothing wrong with me lending or even giving him a helping hand. Likewise there was nothing illegal with Germany helping Greece (at least as far as you have proven). That you don't like and don't think it's a good idea doesn't mean that it's "illegal" and certainly not "invalid". Posting near gibberish does not make position any stronger.

 

Its a symptom of the hatred of Germany that is a staple of the anti-EU obsessives. Without fail they believe dark ulterior motives are behind every German action. I am not exaggerating when I say this is how these people spend every waking moment. They simply can not contain their bile.

They same haters really believed the Greek crisis would be the end of the EU and they were mortified the apocalypse never happened. They have also been driven crazy that the £ has tanked in comparison to the Euro.