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Discussion in 'The Stump' started by Ben Dover, Nov 12, 2016.

  1. Brian Smith

    Brian Smith Active Member

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    So were these people being asked to work a 60 hour week? I am sure you can find an EU law that will pay up lots of compensation if a firm has been negligent.
    Not sure if I should be worried or flattered that I remind you of a promise but why you link the NHS Brexiters £350 million a week in here I am not sure - there were lies from both sides and currently the remainers are the ones being shown to have been the most guilty with their doom and gloom financial forecasts.
     
  2. m kenny

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    So you believe.
    The reason I included the link is to show those supporting Brexit had no scruples and would make up any lie in order to advance their message of hate. You expect the same liars to protect the little man by increasing workers rights?

    The promise of NHS money was very clear and it was a blatant lie, sorry I mean 'a mistake'.
    Watch Farage squirm:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnqr1FDK8QI
     
  3. GRW

    GRW Pillboxologist WW2|ORG Editor

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    Obfuscation is about all you've got.
    You used the exact same tactics of calling people "deniers" in every MMGW thread we ever had.


    I won't be lectured by someone who isn't remotely affected by Brexit.
    And as for "attacking" you, the phrase "pot, kettle and black" springs to mind-



     
  4. Ben Dover

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    Because you like it doesn't make it legal.
    http://www.lisbon-treaty.org/wcm/the-lisbon-treaty/treaty-on-the-functioning-of-the-european-union-and-comments/part-3-union-policies-and-internal-actions/title-viii-economic-and-monetary-policy/chapter-1-economic-policy/393-article-125.html
    Where does it say you can give your friend money with prejudiced to you that your friend pays you back? Where does it say you get the say if your friend accepts the terms and conditions of this money? Why now is Germany in this mess of feeling like Greece owe them? Why does Greece feel like this was forced upon them?
    Because Article 125 of the Lisbon Treaty wasn't understood. Despite Germany been told not to buy these bonds, it did so regardless.
     
  5. m kenny

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    As I pointed out in my earlier posts these people hate Germany with a vengeance. They are totally obsessed. Dad's Army stuck in a 1940 time warp.
     
  6. Ben Dover

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    The EU uses criticism as a scapegoat - The EU's ugliness comes from sounding like a broken record 'freedom of movement, this is the EU, freedom of movement, this is the EU' with a disturbing 'Trump is a threat! Trump is a threat! Trump is a threat! Trump is a threat!'...
    Donald Trump merely said the EU is crooked and Germany are on the take.
    He merely pointed out that he doesn't think it'll last and thinks other countries will follow Britain out the door.
    These are not crimes, these are things to get right if the EU and Britain are to survive...

    No matter how many times people mistake leaving the EU for leaving the world; the EU is not the world.
    Brexit enables trade negotiations worldwide with Britain.
     
  7. Ben Dover

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    EU doesn't seem to be listening to Trump, the US is an alley.
    EU's blaming Trump, Russia and radical Islamic terrorists;
    The President of America just warned the EU the EU isn't going to last long going this way; but the EU just use defiance.
    The problem stems from not listening to countries either in the EU because the EU over rules them.
    Any country, member or allied that is saying something it disagrees with.
    EU is like a partner that doesn't listen to its partners.
     
  8. m kenny

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    Trump is an alley all right.....a blind alley!
     
  9. m kenny

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    Germany...Germany...Germany.....everything is the fault of the Germans.......'Don't tell em Pike!'
     
  10. Ben Dover

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    Keep digging.......who now doubts you are completely obsessed with Germany?
     
  12. green slime

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    MMGW discussion was years ago. Grudgemurgeon.

    You just can't tolerate being challenged.

    As to being 'someone who isn't remotely affected', I'll thank you for your ability to deny me those friends, colleagues and family I have in Great Britain. Never mind the pan-european work I do. Yes, BREXIT directly affects my work.

    But now we know where you stand. Enjoy.
     
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    There's the "D" word again, You just can't help yourself.
     
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    Why, do you feel 'remotely affected'?
     
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    Where did I say I liked it? I simply pointed out that you had not make a reasonable case for your conclusion.

    I can't get to the site right now but ... does it say you can't?

    That's pretty standard. If you loan or want to give someone money you can set the conditions. If they want to accept the money then they need to accept the conditions.
    ??? why are you asking such idiotic questions. If you help someone it's natural to feel like they owe you a favor in return. Why wouldn't Greece feel that way? They were in a rather precarious situation. Choosing the bailout wasn't very desirable it was just better than the alternatives.
    Well it's clear that someone doesn't understand that article. I've yet to be convinced it was Germany. Who told Germany not to buy the bonds and what authority did they have to do so?
     
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    The European Commission told Germany not to under Article 125 which saying it was illegal.
    Greek debt is invalid given the terms of the Lisbon Treaty and the transfer of power to the federalised government over the responsibilities of the national responsibility.
     
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    Sources please. I'd have to see exactly what they told the Germans and the text of the article before I'd accept your interpretation. To date your responses have not been the most reasonable.

    How can a debt be "invalid"? As for "the transfer of power to the federalised government over the responsibilities of the national responsibility" it's a sentence fragment missing a few rather critical components. Please take the time to compose coherent responses.

    *** edit for ***
    I did find this article which I believe brings to question your assumptions as to the legality of the bailout:
    http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/europpblog/2015/07/22/there-is-little-legal-basis-for-wolfgang-schaubles-claim-that-debt-restructuring-is-incompatible-with-euro-membership/
    and
    https://www.ft.com/content/e903ad46-3201-11e5-8873-775ba7c2ea3d
    Which specifically mentions:
    Further details are in:
    https://books.google.com/books?id=-LzQCwAAQBAJ&pg=PT257&lpg=PT257&dq=European+commission+Germany+greece+article+125&source=bl&ots=6gagDIiylS&sig=HYoAbkPzD_3Dsnid5CR-lBUk0Z4&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjT-uPL4_HRAhXIZCYKHecnAFYQ6AEIUDAI#v=onepage&q=European%20commission%20Germany%20greece%20article%20125&f=false
     
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    You did not answer the question regarding how many workers were being forced in to working a 60 hour week.

    The point you made regarding the NHS was randomly chosen to link to your assumption on how I perceive Brexit. Your points are too selective and your reasoning too shallow for you to be taken seriously - I have met hardcore remoaners with greater ability to see the bigger picture than you.
     
  20. Ben Dover

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    I believe I was mistaken in saying it was the European Commission, what I should have said was European Central Bank which urged Germany not to do this.

    However;

    Germany's bailout goes against the no bail out clause of Article 125.
    http://investmentwatchblog.com/lawsuit-the-financial-help-package-for-greece-runs-contrary-to-article-125-of-the-eu-treaty/
    It's not German phobia or racism against Germany. It's simply the law Vs. Germany now feeling like Greece now owe them and Greece feeling this was forced on them; This should never have happened.
     

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