The European Union

Who knows what's going to happen politically from one day to the next anywhere in the world. Scotland wasn't always socialist either, there have been spells of conservatism.

I've been hearing Spain are having a change of mind and wouldn't block Scotland from joining the EU in its own right. Leaves me wondering why and what's the catch? Spain were always going to be an obsticle to Scotland joining as they are currently trying the stop the Catalonians from holding an independence referendum and breaking away from Spain. My only thought on this change of direction for Spain is there has to be something in it for them and does that involve Gibraltar? They overwhelmingly voted to remain in the EU. It's a shame Gibraltarians are always forgotten in these discussions.

It's a concern to hear of the policeman shot in the elbow in Belfast the other month and now this Royal Marine's court case http://news.sky.com/story/royal-marine-ciaran-maxwell-pleads-guilty-to-stashing-explosives-for-terror-attacks-10754882
I hope we don't see a deterioration into the violence of the past there for our Irish neighbours.

And not everyone that voted for leaving the EU are racists, some just don't like straight bananas according to this recording from the BBCs Question Time
https://mobile.twitter.com/davey/status/827300019699085312/video/1

And P.S Gordon, link to Daily Mail was meant to make you laugh. Thought you'd appreciate the irony and I was just too lazy to look up another link, but the Daily Mails article was the first link that came up in my search engine when I searched "Mossad stole British Passports"

 

Ah, ok. Clearly got me on a bad day, so I've saluted it.

 

In what world would the British turn their back on Gibraltar and under which 1 UK policy does Scotland leave to join the EU?

 

I would think that would be a decision for Scots and Gibraltarians rather than little Englanders.

 

Reality check for those who believe 'they' need us more than 'we' need 'them' and we can force concessions out of the EU.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38810162


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38852910


The UK is very much the small fish here and the EU economy dwarfs the UK. We are in no position to dictate terms.

 

Once the UK leaves then the way is open for Spain to shape EU policy on Gibraltar. That is one place where you can 100% guarantee there is going to be a very hard border

 

And yet.. Westminster is the capital of the UK and Gibraltar is a British dependency and Brexit happened.

It might not conform with your 'little opinions' but those Sir, are fact.

 

Is it?

You did say you were a student?

Wonderful to hear someone who spouts endless guff about 'Nations' choosing their own destiny then saying Scotland should submit to the will of their big neighbour!

 

Yeah, about that; you; once David Cameron gave Scotland a referendum and Scotland decided to stay, what can you do?
The following is what you can't do

• Hold another referendum.

You have to understand the validity and result of that.
SNP can whinge and that's all it is, but Westminster is still the capital and there is a 1 UK policy leaving the EU, doesn't matter what Scotland voted or London when the country voted as a whole, that country was UK; UK is a member of the EU as UK.

 

The problem with Scotland is, they're making everyone waste their breath either explaining it to them or them whinging about it.

 

Seems like you have moved the cross-hairs and it is the Scots who you now hate. You can live in your fantasy world but it is a racing certainty that the SNP will hold another referendum. May and her successor will delay as long as possible but at the end of the day the SNP will force the issue simply by making it a promise in the next General Election. If they win it will be impossible to argue the decision is undemocratic. The breakup of the UK has started and as 'you' let the genie out of the bottle you only have yourself to blame

 

On the contrary, it is you with your crosshairs directed at parliament in Westminster.

 

I have no problem with letting the people speak, my issue is with those who do not listen when they have. Yours is just another pointless post, if you ever have a point to make get back to us.

 

I should think a break-up of the UK is a valid point. Maybe you are one of those who 'won' and in your euphoria believe that gives you the right to silence anyone who disagrees in any way shape or form from what 'you' believe to be the way forward. Does it bother you that the Scots may decide your way is not their way?
Once you start waving flags you open the gate for your current subjects to start waving their flag.

Heed the warnings:

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/tory-rebels-threaten-to-vote-with-labour-and-snp-to-amend-brexit-bill-a3458711.html

 

It seems the Scots are going to get concessions after all.

The Scottish secretary also said it was not impossible for Scotland to remain part of the European Single Market via the European Free Trade Agreement while remaining in the UK, which is the first minister's wish.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-38872823

It seems May is desperate to find ways to head off another Independence vote.

 

I just wonder what this historical age will be known as in the future.

 

Perhaps we have transitioned from the Information Age to the Dis-Information Age.

 

Scotland are fortunate to have democracy, but did you know that if Scotland would have voted to leave the UK, that would have meant Scotland leaving the EU?
So I bet a lot of people in 2014 in Scotland voted to remain in the UK just to stay in the EU; but now UK's leaving the EU

What do I, a remain voting Londoner in a democratic country that just asked me do I want to leave the EU or remain in the EU?
What do I know about respecting a democratic result despite being contrary to my own policies? I know one thing; If you don't respect democracy, then there is no democracy.

 

Most of us knew that. Or at least the ones not blinded by sheer hatred of anything English.
And since Salmond's White Paper has been destroyed as a glorified Santa list, fewer people are taking him and Sturgeon seriously. Not helped by the latter's behaving like a spoilt brat used to getting her own way.

 

You are not a democrat. You are an autocratic 'I won' You have to do anything I want because you lost. Nothing you want matters because I want my own way 100% on everything and if you don't like it go and live in Russia' numpty.

I can maybe excuse your ignorance because of your youth. Having lived through a good number of Elections I am aware of one fact that has yet to impact upon you. No politician/Party ever gets its own way without some form of compromise. Trump has just started to find out about the limitations of Office over his immigrant ban. I have seen many 'new dawns' where a Politician announces the start of a new golden age where the world will change for the better. It never does son. I am afraid you are in for a very hard lesson on the facts of life.