The European Union

Sorry everyone to have to go back on this again but only drop by now and then.

You seem to think you know a lot about current affairs but each post you make shows how ignorant you are, using selective news stories to support your own deluded beliefs. By the same measure then you may think you know a quite a lot about WW2, having waded through your picture books and news cuttings for knowledge. My own understanding comes from meeting people who were at Dunkirk, D-Day and some of the first in to Japan following the dropping of the bombs. Real life experiences. Also from following my own Dad's war time service through N Africa, Sicily and then Normandy to the BAOR. You might know a bit but I doubt your infantile mind is capable of understanding any of it. The delusions are a fantasy of your imagination, much as your inability to counter any alternative point of view. The only person here mentioning the EU with the 4th Reich together is you.

Even with your over self importance you cannot make a case without inventing issues to reject others have never raised, quite what Bronze Age and Roman Britain have to do with either the EU or WW2, from what dark corners of your mind did those crawl from.

 

Electoral systems to select winners have been in place for many years, most understand the rules and how votes cast effect the outcome. It has never been about who gets the most votes, as with the UK elections. In this case Trump won, Clinton lost. End off. Unlike the EU Brexit vote where the majority carried the day.

The outcome of voting on EU membership seems to bring the comedian out of those who lost. I remember back in the day the Referendum Party, against membership, in their day a joke as big as the bemoaners today.

 

Yes we know. However my response was to this:

No amount of words from shills, will overcome the majority

And the fact that 3 million more voted for Clinton than Trump clearly indicates he does not represent 'the majority'

Do you still believe the Romans founded London in The Bronze Age?

 

I don't think the election really supports your conclusions. About all you can really say with any certainty is that the people that voted on election day showed a slight preference for Clinton over Trump. Which was or is more popular is another question entirely.

As for Trump in that he won the election like it or not he in at least some ways does represent not just the majority of Americans but all of us. That many disagree with his aims and means doesn't negate that. Note also that on any given issue he may have more or less popular support.

 

Yes the mythical 'silent Majority' who have been co-opted by every person who finds themselves at the wrong end of any survey/Vote ever held.
This is nit-picking for no other reason than nit picking. The only way you can make any judgement is by counting the people who self-select themselves to be counted. By definition those who do not participate do not want to be counted.

Clinton got more votes than Trump.
By counting the popular vote (the only vote that can be counted) she is more popular than Trump.
A person who gets 11 votes is always going to be seen as more popular than one who only got 10 votes.
All available evidence supports that simple conclusion.

Note I am not talking about the result of the election or who deserves/should be in office.
That confusion is in the mind of others.

 

The SNP continue their march towards Independence

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-38880999


The Scottish Parliament has voted by 90 to 34 to oppose the UK government starting the Brexit process.

It has no legal Standing but it shows The SNP are not bluffing and they are going to run with it. Despite all the bluster The SNP do have the whip hand here and they have a hold over May. The 2 outcomes are May caves and gives Scotland enough concessions they stay or they get nothing and they walk.

Not that the little Englanders will care as they seem to hate the Scots (nationalists) as much as they hate the Germans!

 

Not really the "mythical silent Majority" at all. The polls showed that the majority of the population didn't want to see either Trump or Clinton.

I disagree on both counts. I think it is important to state that neither got a majority of the votes. Furthermore those who voiced their opinions in the polls were hardly silent. Many didn't both to vote because they didn't feel that they could support either major party candidate. I guess you could say that they didn't want to be counted as supporting either candidate. That doesn't mean that they don't have opinions on the matter and possibly quite strong ones.

There are many ways of measuring popularity and depending on how one defines it the results of an election are not always the best measure of it. Furthermore that measure only really applies at the time the vote is taken. Far more accurate to leave it at Clinton got more of the popular vote than Trump. One of the reasons I think this is important is that some members of both parties have been proclaiming that the results of the election imply they have the support of the populace. That claim cannot be justified.

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The who got how many votes is the result of the election. As for who "deserves/should be in office", that's not a matter of confusion so much as an opinion which may or may not be supported by much in the way of fact or logic.

 

Nitpicking semantics. I am out.

 

Semantics certainly but it's hard to hold a decent conversation much less a well reasoned debate if the meaning of the words isn't clear. As to it being nitpicking I disagree. Perhaps some of it is due to the difference between British and American English. Phrases like "it's not suppose to be a popularity contest" are not infrequent when referring to elections in the US and inconsequential ones (such as high school class offices) are often denigrated using the phrase "it's only a popularity contest". As worded at least some of your points were at best debatable and some implied things well beyond reason. Indeed looking at the election in some ways Clinton tried to make it a popularity contest between them while Trump tried to make it a popularity contest between the ideas they were promoting. The general dislike of Hillary and popularity of what Trump was saying resulted in his victory even though any reasonable person would question Trumps devotion to his pronouncements.

 

The SNP are not bluffing and the ground is being prepared for another Independence Vote.


https://inews.co.uk/opinion/comment/nicola-sturgeons-vote-article-50-clever-piece-politics/




https://inews.co.uk/essentials/news/politics/number-10-scottish-tories-prepare-fight-indyref2/

The little Englanders opened the gates and have only themselves to blame.

 

Promises, Promises.

Not sure why you are so fixated with Scottish independence, the electorate will decide and those who value democracy will accept the result. Not something you would know anything about of course.still in denial of the Brexit vote.

 

I am not fixated on anything. I would prefer that Scotland remained part of the UK. However I think it hilarious the arguments the little Englanders used to get out of the EU apply just as well to Scotland and the desire to exit the UK. We can now look forward to seeing how all sorts of procedural tricks are used to try and deny Scotland the right to chose-like the ones the Brexiters say should not be used to oppose their case!

 

Neurotic, you really do see issues where they do not exists. The Scottish electorate will vote and decide their future. For me they can go and stand alone if that is the majority decision. If not they stay and we all work together. Unless of course the failed arguments and tricks of the remoaners on Brexit are used to try and encourage them to stay.

Either way the UK is now free to determine its own agenda and future. The insecure find this uncertainty unsettling, the more mature take change in their step.

 

We already did...in 2014.

 

Well you better get used to the fact the SNP hold all the cards here and May is desperate to buy them off. At the worst the SNP are going to be offered substantial concessions and at best they exit the UK. It is up to the SNP which path to take but I think even you now realise they are deadly serious and it is no bluff. Little englanders bested at their own game by little scotlanders!

 

Nuth"n little about the Scots...

 

Which is why we weren't stupid enough to vote Yes in 2014.

 

If May was sure the SNP would win a new vote she would not be offering concessions. In fact if May was confident of winning a new vote all she has to do is call the SNP bluff and agree to hold one.
The SNP have May rattled.

 

This is what the Prime Minister said today in the real world.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_g1u5OQ9dw
18:08
The Supreme Court was very clear that the Scottish parliament does not have a veto...
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An Independent Scotland would not be in the European Union ..

 

If May was sure she would win a new vote she would agree in an instant. She is going to try all sorts of Legal tricks to deny the Scots a vote but I pretty sure that if the SNP decide they want a vote then they will get one. The problem with running around waving flags and shouting 'Freedom' at the top of your voice is that uppity people who don't know their place start thinking they might like a bit of it for themselves.
I am 100% certain we will see an Independent Scotland in my lifetime. Goose, Gander and all that.