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A very sad story. If they don't want the child they should have given it up for adoption.
I do hope the DA will not accept some watered down plea bargin deal but that is how it usually goes these days.
I hope they both get a shank in the heart while in prison. Inmates can do good deeds sometimes.

 

When you worked in prison Carl did you know the crime history of the inmates in your section ? Could you give the ones you really did not like a hard time and get away with it in general ?
I read there were alot of beatings when the building tenders worked the prison sections but Judge William Wayne Dumbass did away with them in Texas.
A very distasteful excuse for a judge ! I wish I could meet him and spit in his face.

 

Every person has three inalienable rights: life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness

Violate one of those rights for someone else, and you lose your own right to it.

 

probably get 6months in leyhill open in england.

 

In Norway we don't have the death sentence, not since 1946-47 when we had dealt with the last of our traitors.

I'm split in two ways.

Firstly the truly evil people gets what is coming to them.

But what about the ones who are innocent? There has been and will be people who are snuffed out for something they havent done. That is a major drawback about the death sentence.

The death sentence as a mechanic to deterrent is not valid, since the really evil people are sick in some way.

So these sickos cannot be rehabilitated. Ever. If they live, it will be in a government housing kept away from the public. A rope seems a lot more cost effective.

There is of course another issue, namely what qualify for the death sentence.

I have a few friends who work in prison or as lawyers handling the buisiness for the state. The really tragic cases involving children has a common feature. The monsters behind it are nutters.

I guess my big beef with the death penalty is the innocent people killed by mistake.

 

Thats the problem. I can understand folk wanting someone executed as a punishment. Not as a deterrent otherwise people wouldnt kill.

I also am aware of the innocents that may have been executed wrongly....

Mistakes happen I know folk will always say thats par for the course, and the old one innocent for a hundred guitly is acceptable argument.
Thats ok unless you or yours are the innocent.

Yes but you were there at the scene....OK jail me for being at the scene or not reporting or with holding evidence....but if your going to execute someone make sure its the right one.

Again my opinion changes. In some cases it seems obvious who the guilty party is and I'll join in the calls to hang em....I'm bothered about some cases though.

We can and do make mistakes. Half of Ireland would have been hung by the British in the 70's if we still had hanging...OK not half...But those involved are free men now with no case to answer other than a support or invovlement or even no support or involvement with the IRA.

But I'll play safe..hang child killers. Just prove it beyond doubt firstly.

 

Make it this way, the s@b would have ended up killed anyway, either by the Judge, or his inmates who would certainly have "taken care" of him. He could also be judged for life and rot in a solitary cell until he finally goes to Hell.

 

This is maddening to hear--that the DA in Galveston isn't going to be tougher on those two-like he/she should be.

 

Hi Irusso, TA, well said.

TA, as for knowing what each inmate was in for, the only way I had in knowing what any were in for-was mainly if it was told to me by a Supervisor-and only if it related to any special taks at hand-such as if he had some big mental problems and or something else-in which we had to know about especially if the inmate had a history o Staff Assaults and such. Other ways we found out what they were in for-was by Medical Staff and sometimes the inmate himself.

For instance-one time I and my co-workers SHOULD have been informed about a dangerous inmate-was when an ex-Vietnam Vet-former Green Beret-and I wer working Dorm A 5-8-and nobody-and especially no thanks to the intake and classification people- knew that there was one very dangerous inmate-who was also known as an escape risk--had mistakenly been housed in A 8 bunk 50.

This guy was a Serial Killer and had killed four people-by using his teeth. This guy was built like the Incredible Hulk, could have easily taken all three of us out-including the former Green Beret.

What happened was that after we arrived to our post (A-5-8 Dorm) and after we had relieved 1st shift-a first shift Sergeant was presant and was waiting for 2nd shift to turn out-so that we would be the ones made to do all the dirty work. We all greatly resented that but had no choice in the matter. Anyway-to make that long story even shorter-for some unintelligent reason-we were made to do an ID check-which means that we had to physically take an inmates ID away-hold in in our hands, verify the one pictured on the ID card was the one we had in that dorm-before we could mark it off on our rosted-then hand it back to the inmate.

Well-all A & B dorms-all 16 off them-wee known as the crybaby dorms. All went fine untill I had to go into A 8-and still went well until I arrived at bunk 50. This inmate -and unknowing to us-was working maitenance night shift-and had just came back from work and was asleep. He did have his ID hanging where it could easily be checked w/o disturbing him. I would have normally just looked at the ID and then the inmate-then mark it off as checked-on my list. However, the Sergeant we had watchingus is a stupid lazy a$$hole-who almost wound up getting the three of us-the sht kicked out of-thanks to her stupidity.

Anyway, as the Sgt was watching-and even though I had several inmates tell me that this guy had just gone to sleep-I was forced to shake him awake-make him hand me his ID to check-then to hand it back. I don't blame him for being pissed off about it because I to would have been pissed. However, he made the mistake of threatning both myself and the former Green Beret I was working with-sooooo we pulled him out of his "House" made him go to the front Sallyport, where he could have easily have wiped the three of which is where the farms to be taken to Ag-Seg-w us out-but instead-waited to be cuffed and moved. It took 6 of usnot including two six of us including two supervisors (another sergeant and a Captain) to get him to Ad-Seg.

The end result in us (Coley-the ex-Green Beret) and I, finding out that intake and classification had made major mistakes in this guys case. After a short investigation by Internal Affairs-no less than 10 people were fired-because of this major foul-up. Tanks to that female Sgt-Coley, her and I could have easily been assaulted-and needlessly-because we should NOT have had t wake this inmate up to check his ID -when the way I was condecting these checks-was perfectly within proper procedure. I guess at least one thing was, that thanks to our incident w/ this inmate-that we may have prevented other staff members from being assaulted by this creep.

We found out all the details the next day in Turn-out.

As for giving them a hard time-we can't just go in a dorm and pick on an inmate-just to get a kick out of harassing them. The only time I ever gave an inmate a difficult time-was if he gave me a good reason to do so. Being the job is a Salary job-I wanted to leave at 10PM when 3rd shift relieved us as we didn't get paid any extra to stay late.

However, there are always exception to the rule and we did have fellow CO's who liked to "stir up" the inmates because they thought they all were Superman. I hated working with those people because it always ended up in having to stay late and to also do reports and such.

When I started working there-it was after the Building Tenders thing was stopped. You are correct about that Judge-he was a fool for stopping that from happening which in turn made a COs job harder than it should have been. Now we had to do all of the babysitting instead of the BT doing the meanial chores.

If your familiar w/ the Paul Newman movie-Cool Hand Luke--the BT in that movie was almost exactly like what they were in real form.

PS, we officers didn't have the right to get personal info about inmates-however, the inmates-thanks to the Law Library-had complete access to we officers personal info-such as our addresses, phone numbers-whether we had children or not-etc-thanks to the ruling of another and very stupid-Judge. Thankfully, after his rule was in place-about a year or so after such was done-the rule was changed and then dropped all-together. The rule was changed because it took the kidnapping, raping and the death of a very pretty female officer-to have that rule changed.

What happened was that some inmate who was at some other "farm" in Texas-was able to get personal info about COs by using the LL and he was soon to be released-and on release-he went to said female CO home-kidnapped her-repetedly raped her and then slashed her throat from ear to ear. Sadly-and too late for this female offcer-changing those ruls came too late.

BTW, I personally knew this female Co as we had gone through the same courses together and-we had studied together many evenings-for the tests we had to take. We were also partners-when it came to handling various weapons at the rifle range. This gal had never touched a weapon before in her life-so during the weekends when we didn't have to attend our courses-we would go out to the rifle range and practice firing using my guns. This gal became one of the best shots in our graduating class. A year after graduating-she had transferred to another location which was near where her Parents were living. About a year after that, she was murdered by said scumbag. That scum was given the Death Penalty-and as far as I know-is still on death row.

 

Terrible, but I still do. Not only on political ideology grounds (a Libertarian, I oppose the State doing almost anything against its citizens, let alone kill them), but also and mostly, on religious grounds:

'The dignity of human life must never be violated, even in the case of some one who has comitted terrible crimes against his/her own brothers.'

'Recent history has seen so many victims of ideologies, and invites us to relentlessly promote the respect for human life, which is sacred, and the dignity of every single human person... Every life of every man, even the life of the worst of criminals, has an unmeasurable value.'

John Paul II

See: Evangelium Vitae
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Hi Fried, well, i'd bet the last dollar I had that you would change your mind about it especially after working as a Correctional Officer for many years dealing with all-types like I have had to deal with ;-))

Best regards--C.

 

I agree with the sentiments Fiedrich. I know though that I'm not strong enough to say for certain that if my own were killed and the murderer was to hang that I probably would want that....I probably would if I couldnt get my hands on the person...That sounds bad, but revenge is a base instinct I cant tell what I would be feeling inside in advance...The very least I'll admit is that it would be revenge and not wrapped up as a detterent argument which it quite clearly is not. It is a quandry for me as I have always been against the death penalty.
But realise thats ok for others but not if it happens to mine...Hypocritical I know but human nature I believe on my part.

 

I don't oppose the "death penalty" on any grounds other than economic. not ethical, not moral, just economic. It costs about $85,000 per year to keep a "death penalty" convict alive more than his fellow convicts. This is fully documented by studies since the re-newal of the death penalty in the seventies.

It turns out it costs more to keep them alive, pay for the lawyers, and transportation to and from court with a sentence of "death" hanging over them than it does if they were given a sentence of "life without parole". I don't have enough "revenge" in my heart, even for someone who perpetrated a "nasty" on a close relative or friend to wish for their "blood".

I would hope they would suffer more by being alive in a terrible place, for longer than being on "death row" for 15 or 20 years having what amounts to "room service". Knock off the death penalty (which has never been shown to be a deterant), and make life without parole the max. And I MEAN without parole!

 

And being his cellmate's, Bubba (6'5'' 380 lbs) , biaaatch!

 

I'm for the death penality both as a punishment and as a deterent. The first is that you are punished by being killed....painfully hopefully. The second by killing you you cannot enact any more crimes; you are dead.

Or, as I am fond of saying at work: "The world needs more woodchippers!"

 

Death's too good for them.

 

Something like this?

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I can go either way on the death penalty. There is no doubt in my mind that there are people on "Death Row" who deserve to die. There are inmates in General Population that have admitted to their crimes and the only reason they are not on Death Row is because the state of California does not execute people that confess.

I think that if the totality of evidence removes all doubt of guilt then string 'em up; but, if there is even one ounce of evidence that creates doubt or anything is mishandled they live.

 

Are you me? That is EXACTLY what came into my mind when I previewed my post.

Hangin's too good for 'em! Burnin's to GOOD for 'em!