This is especially for those who oppose the Death Penalty. Would you still oppose it after reading t

And that as I said before is the whole crux as far as we are concerned this side of the pond..its a debate ender...we dont have it, we wont have it.

Shout it from the Daily Mail and Telegraph by all means, but there is no point, Its gone, dusted and confined to history as far as we are concerned...Bit like me.

 

.. this is a dead parrot, it has expired ceased to be...

 

Precisely, that is one thing we do have going for us, our government can't legally kill us.

 

Correction our legal system cannot execute us, ask the electricians familly about the other proposition.

~Steve

 

You forgot Nr 3) Criminal released after a few years in prison and goes and commits more crime and possibly killing more people when the criminal should still be behind bars. If the criminal was still behind bars--it could not commit more crimes such as rapes and murders thus saving future victims this tragedy.

 

No Fried, it's not that you wont get it-you just don't want to "get it."

 

And your correct, the subject is ruined and especally because of those who do not wish to stay on subject.

Pippip-Cheerio and all that WOT.

Ps,

And I ask respectfully to any Moderator who sees this-to please close this topic. If need be, I can start another.

 

Blimey Carl, I think over 95 percent of the responses were on topic and those that strayed strayed slightly off centre compared to other threads.

But yep agree its served its purpose.

 

Carl if you re read my post you will see that my option nr.2 is what you describe as nr. 3.

I am going at lifetime imprisonment often isn't. People are let loose.

So I feel the alternative to the death penalty should be lifetime inprisonment that meant locked up untill you die.

 

Life sentence here now means 10 years for murder.

We will never see the return of the death penalty as long as the UK remains part of the EU and that nest of vipers in Brussels.

 

That's interesting Richard...Do you have a link or source to support that claim?

Cheers

 

Seen it enough times on the news over the years.

The average sentence comes out about 10 years in most cases, just general observation thats all.

Not In law.

 

Funny, I thought you may say that.

Cheers anyway

 

And note I did not say the Daily Mail.

I except my wording was a little a drift so I here by apologies for that error.

 

Richard and Drew

FYI
From the SENTENCING ADVISORY PANEL web site
guidlines as of 2002
The middle starting point, for cases with no significant aggravating or mitigating features, would be 12 years.
The lower starting point, for cases where the offender's culpability is significantly reduced, would be 8 or 9 years. This would apply to a mercy killing, or to a case where the offender was suffering from a mental disorder or disability, or was provoked, or overreacted in self-defence.
The higher starting point would be 15 or 16 years. This would be appropriate for murders where the victim was in a particularly vulnerable position; or for cases such as contract killings, multiple murders, politically motivated murders, or those involving sadism, gratuitous violence or sexual abuse of the victim. The minimum term could be significantly higher for a case at this level involving several aggravating factors.
During the year 2000, 119 adult offenders were released from life sentences for murder. The average tariff was 12.6 years. The lowest tariff was 7 years (this offender was released 10 years after sentence) and the highest tariff was 30 years (this offender was released 31 years after sentence).


From other sources in 2006 the average tariff had risen to 14years and by 2008 it had risen again to 16years.


~Steve

 

Hi Steve,


Can I ask where the info came from..I've been looking at this out of curiosity over the last few days but can't seem to find any real statistics.

Here's one of the worst I was involved with:
Woman murdered in broad daylight - Telegraph

Man held in garage murder probe - Yorkshire Post

https://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/44422/Blunders-that-freed-thug-to-kill-his-wife

http://www.thestar.co.uk/news/Evidence-led-to-jailing-of.5194625.jp

I was one of the first officers at the scene and it wasn't pleasant.

Cheers

 

Drew

http://www.sentencing-guidelines.gov.uk/docs/press_23apr02.html


The last part about increasing tariff rate the 2008 figure is form an ask survae of sentencing policy in different juricdictions the 2006 is nicked from some-ones blog essay on sentancing policy I'll find them in my history but as you can imagine my daily history file is fairly long but probably later today

found them
http://www.answers.com/topic/life-sentence

http://www.deceptikons.com/article.asp?file=237.xml

 

Hi Jaeger, I humbly apologize.

Here is something I bet most are not aware of concerning lifetime imprisonment.

Life = 25 years. 25 years in reality is less than 1/2 that amount and even less yet-if one becomes a model inmate and one who gets a prison job doing something useful and or one who even teaches in some sort of a volunteer program--usually held in late afternoons to early evening hours-such as Bible Study, Law, Law Library, etc.

Also, pertaining to a high percentage of inmates given life sentences, depending on if the prisons are over-crowded - which IS ofen the case-it's actually much cost-effectve for the State to let them go. I know of all-too-many-a-inmate who had a life sentence-and spent less than five years-that's FIVE years. Many of those inmates with nothing to lose-go right back to a life of crime almost from the moment they walk through the Inmate Release Gates.

Also, the average cost per inmate-not talking about those with special needs and such) the average inmate one sees who has access to most areas of the unit he's at. Anyway, the last year I worked as a C.O-the average cost then was $120,000 per inmate per year. Considering the first Transfer Facility I worked at had-including fresh intake-constantly had 2,260 inmates housed there. This is the numbers for a ""small"" unit. My Math skills are abysmal but do the math for $120,000 x's 2,260 and see what you get?

At a large facility-they might have somethinf to the tune of 4,000-to-10,000 prisoners. Do the math on that. Bear in mind this is not taking into account for Maximum Security Facilities-only the Minimum and Medium Security Facilities. Multiply those numbers by at last another 106 units with at least 4,000 filled bunks, and see what you get? Now if you want numbers of those in Maximum Security Facilities-the average cost (then) per inmate per year is at least triple of that of an inmate in Minimum Security lock-up.

These figures and numbers do not include those on Death Row.

The above figures do not include Medical costs or another costs-other than just Housing costs. Frightening aint it? ;-))

After figuring these costs out-remember to factor that into average inmate terms of stay-by whatever numbers can be counted as inmates in actual State Prison. These do not count State prosiners kept in City or County Jails because of over-crouding. Also, their costs also drastically go up. Same thing can be said about Feredal inmates-only their costs are at least twice as high as the cost is per State inmate.

So how does all of this tie-in to those with life sentences? It's all the matte of doing the Mate ;-)) and you will see what I mean? Best regards-C.

 

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Things like that never are, It may sound cynical but I known the same from 30 years ago, brain dead T**T gets bailed after GBH, finds out where wifie is hiding and kills her with a kitchen knife so nothing new I afraid.

~Steve

 

Drew, Richard is absolutely correct with the info he posted. I can't cite internet posted proof-the info I got was what was told to all of as during the daily "turn-out" before we were given or assignments for the day. Also, the figures I provided above-are as of 2001. I can only just imagine what the costs are now?

Cheers-C.