Top 10 tanks of the war

I can also imagine that there would be bloody noses and ears after that too.

 

Naw. All they have to use is the Soviet mice . LOL

 

I dont know from sensible, but that picture of Hillary scares the bejeezus out of me!

 

Another reason for the JSU-152 would win........there would be more of them.
And I just hate the JagdTiger. It's more ugly than the Maus!

 

oh no Joe, lets not start comparing those two

Edit: Oh just had a great idea for a 'What if' thread, what if the German Maus took on a Jagdtiger, who would win? lol

 

The ISU 152 fires a 109 lb AP shot and normally carried about a half dozen rounds on board. With a much lower muzzle velocity it would be lobbing these into targets at 2000 yards or more.
The JadgTiger, for all its flaws, has a vicious gun. Essentially, this is the same gun a naval destroyer would have mounted. It is a high velocity piece with a fairly flat trajectory to about 5,000 yards. This means out to about 3,000 to 4,000 yards a JadgTiger has a pretty good probability of a first round hit compared to the ISU 152.
Of course, the latter was designed first as a self-propelled artillery piece and second as a tank destroyer.

 

But the JSU-152 will still win.....cos there would be more of them.
1941 was Hitler's most stupidest year-war with Russia and America.

 

Give the man a break, he could paint a room double this size in one afternoon, two coats!

 

I love that movie

 

What movie?

 

Za was quoting "The Producers"

 

Wikipedia Ho!

 

1. Tiger - undisputed greatest tank killer in history
2. Panther
3. T-34
4. JS2
5. JS1
6. Sherman Firefly
7. KV 1
8. KV 2
9. Sherman and Mark IV tie (if production value were included these would rate higher but I'm rating combat value)
10. Mark III

 

I love it when different types are compared to eachother . Ever notice that some of the the lists usually progress from early war to late war? Why not have a list for each type. Super heavy,Heavy,Medium,Light?

 

you do realize that the question is about what would happen if they were to face off one on one...

Furthermore, this battle would depend a lot on how the two were to come upon each other. First off all, the Jagtiger's gun had a much higher velocity than the SU-152's and much more amour percing capablilities (plus the SU-152 had reletivily weak armour anyway). So the Jagdtiger would have an advantage at long range. But if the SU-152 was to come up from the side or back at a closer range, it would easily have been able to pentrate the Jagdtiger's weaker 80mm side amour if it was to hit it. I honestly don't think that the fact that the SU-152 has a lower profile would have done much to effect the battle. And if they were to come face to face it could just depend on who gets the first shot. Although I don't think the 152mm would have been able to penetrate the 250mm of frontal superstructure amour, it still could have probably gotten through the lower weaker parts of the hull. And if the Jagdtiger was to hit the SU-152 then it would just complety anihillate it.

 

Even that would be tricky since tanks which were considered heavy at the start of the war could be considered medium or even light by the end of it.

 

I would say the vast majority of armor engagements in WW2 (well, at least a sizeable fraction of them) would be determined by this- starting position and first shot, as opposed to the vehicles themselves. Whoever had the element of suprise, whoever got the first shot- and first hit- would have a vastly better chance of winning.

One other item on the JagdTiger vs. SU-152: German vehicles had VASTLY better optics than their russian counterparts, so a first shot hit would be far more likely there.

I don't have a list of the 10 best tanks offhand, I'd need to think about that one a bit more...

 

Snichzen Shnousen Wousen.

I give up. You win.
I still dislike the JT though...

 

Don't go away so soon Joe, ask how many JTs were produced and how many were able to effectively enter combat, and how many JSU-152 were made!*

* an average of 100 per MONTH plus as many JSU-122, against 80 something grand total for the JT, so that's not really much more than a footnote after all, or is it?

Achtung Panzer! - Jagdtiger
The Russian Battlefield

 

And by the time the Jagdtigers entered into service, German resources for both fuel and maintenance were stretched to the point of breaking. I would imagine the cases where these beasts had a significant battlefield impact were few and far between.

In an abstract, theoretical 1-on-1, yeah, A JgdTiger would be great if had the elements of suprise and some amount of mobility.

Practical purposes? An interesting footnote.