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WWII vets, kin up in arms over display of Stalin's bust at National D-Day Memorial

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  1. Volga Boatman

    Volga Boatman Dishonorably Discharged

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    Not once have I tendered Adolf as an alternative....WE fought that idiot from the OUTSET, never aiding him....

    and 7 million people dead over collectivization alone already overshadows the holocaust, and it was only the begining....the PURGES were yet to come...

    Stalin is the man with the higher "kill total", hands down. Power for him meant SUBJUGATION. His war with Hitler was his OWN FIGHT

    PS: Not Russian here either....English, and proud of it, even though my country has a less than clean record in international affairs....

    I don't think you people have even heard of Tuchachevski or the Russo Polish war....you seem to carry on as if the Molotov Ribentrop Pact was the first time the two dictatorships had co-operated militarily for mutual gain, at the expense of other nations....SORDID and SELFISH
     
  2. LRusso216

    LRusso216 Graybeard Staff Member

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    OK, folks. Let's be careful about attacking other posters personally. Keep the thread on topic, and lose the personal invective. You have been warned.
     
  3. Triple C

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    Stalin was supreme leader from 1924-53. Hitler was in charge for 12 years, and did most of his killings in a six year period from 39-45. Does anyone else find it ironic that somehow people can argue the Nazis was the lesser of the two evils because Hitler failed to beat Stalin after a head start of 15 years? And counting the victims of the famine? Had it occurred to anyone that the Russians experienced that after one of the most catastrophic civil wars in history?!

    As long as there was a Hitler, the Second World War in Europe would have happened regardless of any form of government existent in Russia. Go read Frederick Meincke; he's a Prussian historian of the old school who lived long enough to see both World Wars. The National-Socialists planned for colonizing Russia and exterminating the Slavs long before the Nazi-Soviet Pact. The Nazi-Soviet Pact was a lie, and so was the anti-Bolshevik Crusade. Heck, Hitler told German newspapers in 1936 that he was going to kill the Jews and conquer the Russians. As for being in league with the Germans, the same charge could be flung at the Western Powers with the same justice. The utter spinelessness of certain politicians in Western Democracies at the face of the Germans was every bit as responsible tothe outbreak of the war as the Nazi-Soviet Pact; in fact, strategically it was perfectly reasonable to see the latter as a reaction against the former, to the perceived impotence of London and Paris and their unwillingness to fight even for their own national honor. Hadn't Churchill said after Munich, that the Western Democracies "had been tried, and were found wanting?"

    Stalin was an evil bastard. But Hitler was the antichrist. And if that's too much verbiage for you, a realist no less than A.J.P. Taylor said so. Now you all have a nice Thanks Giving.
     
  4. Volga Boatman

    Volga Boatman Dishonorably Discharged

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    Fine....you may hold onto the illusion....I for one am not buying into it. Anyone defending Josef Stalin as a valuable ally is certainly not a man that has had to live under the regime....

    And with full bellys and smoking machine packed cigarettes, let us sit awhile, contemplating the piles of corpses....or lets imagine anyway, for we are Westerners, and have not had to live in tyranny for a very long time.

    Lets count ourselves lucky indeed that our families don't have to track down relatives and friends caught up in the madness of Eastern Europe.

    Through two world wars, this region is STILL a troublespot.

    Merry Christmas to all
     
  5. Mehar

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    You lived under Stalin?
     
  6. Fallschirmjäger 1

    Fallschirmjäger 1 Member

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    Russia has been a trouble spot even before 1914.

    And not to glorify Stalin but if it weren't for the Eastern Front the battles in North Africa, Sicily, Italy, and Western Europe would have been a whole lot different. Hitler was so concerned with his race war in Russia and that allowed the Western
    Allies to advance on the other fronts.

    I'm not a fan of Stalin but he did ALOT to end the war, although he didn't exactly do it in the best way.

    Just my .01 cent.
     
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  7. Sloniksp

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    First Ukrainian and now English...

    You know Volga Boatman there is nothing wrong with being Ukrainian, you should be proud of it.
     

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